Nikolaus de'Shade |
Dot with great joy!
Now to confess - I've literally just received my copy of Ultimate Intrigue and it's very shiny. Are things from it permitted KP? The new Mesmerist archetypes are very nice for Lucius.
Crunch time...
So far we have:
Gul the Wizard
Ognos the Sorceror
Misimba the Hunter
Michel the (Unchained) Monk?
Does anyone want to state a preference for how I do Lucius? I'm looking at a Moriarty/Mycroft type character either as a Lore Psychic (full casting) or as a Mesmerist, likely with an Ultimate Intrigue archetype. Happy to build something that will help us all!
Killer Pixie |
"The character should not be able to use the crossblooded archetype's ability to select a lower-level bloodline power that was replaced by the wildblooded archetype. For example, a wildblooded brutal (abyssal) sorcerer replaces "strength of the abyss" with "wings of the abyss" at 9th level; the character has "paid" for the wildblooded archetype by giving up "strength of the abyss," and can't use the crossblooded bloodline to select "strength of the abyss" as her 15th-level or 20th-level bloodline power."
Keep this in mind, Ognos, please.
Killer Pixie |
Dot with great joy!
Now to confess - I've literally just received my copy of Ultimate Intrigue and it's very shiny. Are things from it permitted KP? The new Mesmerist archetypes are very nice for Lucius.
Crunch time...
So far we have:
Gul the Wizard
Ognos the Sorceror
Misimba the Hunter
Michel the (Unchained) Monk?Does anyone want to state a preference for how I do Lucius? I'm looking at a Moriarty/Mycroft type character either as a Lore Psychic (full casting) or as a Mesmerist, likely with an Ultimate Intrigue archetype. Happy to build something that will help us all!
Yes they are, go ahead!
I'm going to wait while you guys build the crunch, if it is completely done, tell me so I take a look at it.
Also, please post here or PM me if you need my help with the crunch or anything.
Gül |
I would like a bit of help deciding on Gül's languages.
Dwarven tongues and Human tongues make sense because she grew up in town, but what about Draconic? would a spellbook be enough to pick up that language? (and would it still be simply draconic?)
Also, changlings can choose giant and blood hags speak it; could she just magically speak Giant, to her own surprise? XD
Edit: Also I forgot to roll for her weight/height:
Age=17 (minimum) so that it hasn't been too long since she snuck into the hag lair xD
weight: 2d4 ⇒ (2, 1) = 3 x5 + 85 = 100lbs
height: 50 + 2d4 ⇒ 50 + (2, 3) = 55
Killer Pixie |
I would like a bit of help deciding on Gül's languages.
Dwarven tongues and Human tongues make sense because she grew up in town, but what about Draconic? would a spellbook be enough to pick up that language? (and would it still be simply draconic?)
Also, changlings can choose giant and blood hags speak it; could she just magically speak Giant, to her own surprise? XDEdit: Also I forgot to roll for her weight/height:
Age=17 (minimum) so that it hasn't been too long since she snuck into the hag lair xD
[dice=weight]2d4 x5 + 85 = 100lbs
[dice=height]50+2d4
I like the idea with Giant, Kobold and Nagaji tongues are a bit harder, if there is knowledge of it in this zone, then maybe it it's for the travelling tengu, some can speak it. Maybe Gül's father encountered one of them and learned.
Gül |
Since wizard spells use draconic, I was thinking mostly along the lines of what she found in the cave... but maybe she picked up a little bit when she was young and later she also met a certain Tengu's disciple?
What languages does Micheal Bellamy speak? :3
edit: now that I think about it, are wizard spells still some form of draconic in this setting? XD
Michel Bellamy |
I was thinking Michel would know Common, Dwarven and Tengu, but he doesn't have the intelligence for it. How would you feel about me just putting a second point into Linguistics or something? No bonus, the point would just be to grab another language. Or it could be one of my traits?
On a separate note, would the Tengu have brought eastern weapons with them? Or is that a no-no? I'm thinking of using a Three-section staff and a Monk's Spade which are traditionally Japanese and Chinese implements. If not, its fine. I can switch to using a Temple Sword and a Quarterstaff for non-unarmed strikes.
I'm thinking I should put in a trait for bluff checks to pass as a monk or something of the like. Thought about the Innocent trait but its for Aasimar only. Might just stick with something like Convincing Liar or Trustworthy though.
Crunch is not final but its mostly there on this alias.
Nikolaus de'Shade |
Still debating classes...
If we want some divine casting I'm tempted to go for a promotion in the form of the Cardinal archetype for Cleric.
Other options are a Warlock Vigilante or an Enigma Mesmerist.
I'm inclined to the Warlock or the Cardinal but obviously playing a Cardinal needs GM approval for such a high church rank!
Killer Pixie |
Since wizard spells use draconic, I was thinking mostly along the lines of what she found in the cave... but maybe she picked up a little bit when she was young and later she also met a certain Tengu's disciple?
What languages does Micheal Bellamy speak? :3edit: now that I think about it, are wizard spells still some form of draconic in this setting? XD
Wizard spells use Draconic? Wow, I honestly didn't know that. It's fine if Gül learned some from the book.
Killer Pixie |
I was thinking Michel would know Common, Dwarven and Tengu, but he doesn't have the intelligence for it. How would you feel about me just putting a second point into Linguistics or something? No bonus, the point would just be to grab another language. Or it could be one of my traits?
On a separate note, would the Tengu have brought eastern weapons with them? Or is that a no-no? I'm thinking of using a Three-section staff and a Monk's Spade which are traditionally Japanese and Chinese implements. If not, its fine. I can switch to using a Temple Sword and a Quarterstaff for non-unarmed strikes.
I'm thinking I should put in a trait for bluff checks to pass as a monk or something of the like. Thought about the Innocent trait but its for Aasimar only. Might just stick with something like Convincing Liar or Trustworthy though.
Crunch is not final but its mostly there on this alias.
The Adoptive Parentage alternate racial trait plus a single rank in Linguistics would allow you to speak Human languages, Tengu languages and Dwarven languages, in exchange for the bonus feat humans get.
Eastern weapons are fine, go ahead.
Killer Pixie |
Still debating classes...
If we want some divine casting I'm tempted to go for a promotion in the form of the Cardinal archetype for Cleric.
Other options are a Warlock Vigilante or an Enigma Mesmerist.
I'm inclined to the Warlock or the Cardinal but obviously playing a Cardinal needs GM approval for such a high church rank!
You can play a Cardinal, Lucius has many friends in the church, after all.
I'd say you choose whichever fits him the most, in your opinion. If the party is weak in one side, I will obviously compensate that without you guys needing to change your characters so they balance the party.
Nikolaus de'Shade |
Cardinal is the obvious fit - thematically appropriate and useful mechanically too. I quite like the idea of a Warlock Vigilante Tiefling because it gives him a way of being useful in combat but I don't know how I'd explain the whole dual personalities thing...
Start with Cardinal I think - see where it goes from there. :) You ok with alternate heriatage choices for a tiefling if I take Fiendish Heritage?
Killer Pixie |
Cardinal is the obvious fit - thematically appropriate and useful mechanically too. I quite like the idea of a Warlock Vigilante Tiefling because it gives him a way of being useful in combat but I don't know how I'd explain the whole dual personalities thing...
Start with Cardinal I think - see where it goes from there. :) You ok with alternate heriatage choices for a tiefling if I take Fiendish Heritage?
Okay, I like your idea.
You can take Fiendish Heritage and choose one. Roll for the alternate abilities here, too.
Nikolaus de'Shade |
I'll take Asura Spawn for +2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int
Heritages: 3d100 ⇒ (1, 2, 31) = 34
1 = You can animate a 1 HD skeleton, as per animate dead, once per day as a spell-like ability.
2 = You possess some type of extrasensory organ, granting you all-around vision.
31 = You can burrow through dirt, sand, and loose gravel at a rate of 5 feet per round.
I'll take number 2 please! :) All-round vision is pretty nice! Fluff-wise I'm thinking a short, wide horn on the top of his head which picks up vibrations, usually covered by his hair and a priestly cap so he can still pass for human.
Character genning now!
Cardinal Lucius d'Borja |
"Blessings of God upon you all my children."
Is it permissable to speak Latin as a bonus language? There's no way he'd rise in the church without it - do I need a point of linguistics or can we safely assume he knows it already?
Killer Pixie |
I'll take Asura Spawn for +2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int
[dice=Heritages]3d100
1 = You can animate a 1 HD skeleton, as per animate dead, once per day as a spell-like ability.
2 = You possess some type of extrasensory organ, granting you all-around vision.
31 = You can burrow through dirt, sand, and loose gravel at a rate of 5 feet per round.I'll take number 2 please! :) All-round vision is pretty nice! Fluff-wise I'm thinking a short, wide horn on the top of his head which picks up vibrations, usually covered by his hair and a priestly cap so he can still pass for human.
Character genning now!
I only have one question, if Lucius' heritage came from a deal with a devil, shouldn't he be a Hellspawn instead of a Faultspawn?
Killer Pixie |
"Blessings of God upon you all my children."
Is it permissable to speak Latin as a bonus language? There's no way he'd rise in the church without it - do I need a point of linguistics or can we safely assume he knows it already?
With a rank in Linguistics or a Int bonus you could learn Elven languages, which include Latin.
Misimba |
Is Misimba ok? Attaching his background now, but other than that, is there anything I need to add or change? He wears no armour at this point, so his AC is not the greatest... not too sure what he would think of wearing armour. Having seen it in use in battle, he might go for some studded leather or a chain shirt....what do you think?
Nikolaus de'Shade |
I only have one question, if Lucius' heritage came from a deal with a devil, shouldn't he be a Hellspawn instead of a Faultspawn?
An attempt to balance fluff and mechanics - the ideal mechanic was Demodand spawn but that seemed ridiculous. I think Asura works since it preyed on Calixtus' fault (arrogance) to cause Lucius' birth. Also Calixtus wouldn't have had the knowledge to identify precisely what kind of evil outsider he was dealing with, only that he was, so 'devil' was used in the most generic terms (since in 1399AD they weren't using particularly precise categories for devils and demons). I can change it if you feel it's important.
Gül |
Gül wrote:Wizard spells use Draconic? Wow, I honestly didn't know that. It's fine if Gül learned some from the book.Since wizard spells use draconic, I was thinking mostly along the lines of what she found in the cave... but maybe she picked up a little bit when she was young and later she also met a certain Tengu's disciple?
What languages does Micheal Bellamy speak? :3edit: now that I think about it, are wizard spells still some form of draconic in this setting? XD
Honestly, after failing to find the original fluff, I no longer think the writings need to involve Draconic xD
But many magical tomes are in Draconic as evidenced by the wizard's bonus languageThere is also this feat...
I think it used to be in the fluff, something about arcane magic starting with dragons iirc, but I can't find the fluff for it in the pathfinder srd...
But in any case, I'm pretty sure that at least some spell books have at least some Draconic in them :3
Kubular |
The Adoptive Parentage alternate racial trait plus a single rank in Linguistics would allow you to speak Human languages, Tengu languages and Dwarven languages, in exchange for the bonus feat humans get.Eastern weapons are fine, go ahead.
Losing a bonus feat for what amounts to a bonus language feels really painful. I'll think about it though, because I still would be able to get weapon focus as part of that, which wouldn't be so bad now that I think about it.
I would like to mention there are precedents for a trait giving a bonus language. I don't know how you feel about creating custom traits, but this seems like the time for it ever there was one.
And thanks for the go-ahead on the weapons. Still mulling it over though. I might just go Unarmed strike anyway.
ScegfOd |
Killer Pixie wrote:
The Adoptive Parentage alternate racial trait plus a single rank in Linguistics would allow you to speak Human languages, Tengu languages and Dwarven languages, in exchange for the bonus feat humans get.Eastern weapons are fine, go ahead.
Losing a bonus feat for what amounts to a bonus language feels really painful. I'll think about it though, because I still would be able to get weapon focus as part of that, which wouldn't be so bad now that I think about it.
I would like to mention there are precedents for a trait giving a bonus language. I don't know how you feel about creating custom traits, but this seems like the time for it ever there was one.
And thanks for the go-ahead on the weapons. Still mulling it over though. I might just go Unarmed strike anyway.
This might be a good trait to base something off of.
<3 d20pfsrd trait filterAlso, I just realized I forgot to ask: what animal would look... not out of place? I need a non-foreign familiar xD
Killer Pixie |
Is Misimba ok? Attaching his background now, but other than that, is there anything I need to add or change? He wears no armour at this point, so his AC is not the greatest... not too sure what he would think of wearing armour. Having seen it in use in battle, he might go for some studded leather or a chain shirt....what do you think?
I'm still taking a look at Misimba. Seems good so far, but you are using languages like greek and arabian instead of Halfling languages, Human languages and that. Would you change that?
Also, commune with birds it's sort of a Tengu exclusive spell, and I don't think it would fit a race like halflings, so please choose another one.
I think that the animal focus is chosen when you enter that state, so it doesn't need to be tiger all the time. But, hey! That's good, isn't it? :)
Killer Pixie |
Killer Pixie wrote:I only have one question, if Lucius' heritage came from a deal with a devil, shouldn't he be a Hellspawn instead of a Faultspawn?An attempt to balance fluff and mechanics - the ideal mechanic was Demodand spawn but that seemed ridiculous. I think Asura works since it preyed on Calixtus' fault (arrogance) to cause Lucius' birth. Also Calixtus wouldn't have had the knowledge to identify precisely what kind of evil outsider he was dealing with, only that he was, so 'devil' was used in the most generic terms (since in 1399AD they weren't using particularly precise categories for devils and demons). I can change it if you feel it's important.
Alright, Faultspawn works great too!
Killer Pixie |
Killer Pixie wrote:Gül wrote:Wizard spells use Draconic? Wow, I honestly didn't know that. It's fine if Gül learned some from the book.Since wizard spells use draconic, I was thinking mostly along the lines of what she found in the cave... but maybe she picked up a little bit when she was young and later she also met a certain Tengu's disciple?
What languages does Micheal Bellamy speak? :3edit: now that I think about it, are wizard spells still some form of draconic in this setting? XD
Honestly, after failing to find the original fluff, I no longer think the writings need to involve Draconic xD
But many magical tomes are in Draconic as evidenced by the wizard's bonus language
There is also this feat...
I think it used to be in the fluff, something about arcane magic starting with dragons iirc, but I can't find the fluff for it in the pathfinder srd...But in any case, I'm pretty sure that at least some spell books have at least some Draconic in them :3
The feat comes from Kobolds of Golarion, and it says pretty much the same that appears in the srd.
But yeah, it's fine.
Killer Pixie |
Killer Pixie wrote:
The Adoptive Parentage alternate racial trait plus a single rank in Linguistics would allow you to speak Human languages, Tengu languages and Dwarven languages, in exchange for the bonus feat humans get.Eastern weapons are fine, go ahead.
Losing a bonus feat for what amounts to a bonus language feels really painful. I'll think about it though, because I still would be able to get weapon focus as part of that, which wouldn't be so bad now that I think about it.
I would like to mention there are precedents for a trait giving a bonus language. I don't know how you feel about creating custom traits, but this seems like the time for it ever there was one.
And thanks for the go-ahead on the weapons. Still mulling it over though. I might just go Unarmed strike anyway.
Well, it's up to you. Remember that Common=Human languages, so many Dwarves in Otlukbeli may speak it anyways.
Killer Pixie |
Kubular wrote:Killer Pixie wrote:
The Adoptive Parentage alternate racial trait plus a single rank in Linguistics would allow you to speak Human languages, Tengu languages and Dwarven languages, in exchange for the bonus feat humans get.Eastern weapons are fine, go ahead.
Losing a bonus feat for what amounts to a bonus language feels really painful. I'll think about it though, because I still would be able to get weapon focus as part of that, which wouldn't be so bad now that I think about it.
I would like to mention there are precedents for a trait giving a bonus language. I don't know how you feel about creating custom traits, but this seems like the time for it ever there was one.
And thanks for the go-ahead on the weapons. Still mulling it over though. I might just go Unarmed strike anyway.
This might be a good trait to base something off of.
<3 d20pfsrd trait filterAlso, I just realized I forgot to ask: what animal would look... not out of place? I need a non-foreign familiar xD
Well, there are many animals in Turkey... Are you thinking in one specifically? If so, I could tell you if it's native.
Killer Pixie |
What domains can I choose from?
Also: what is God's favored weapon? :D
Well, it depends on how your character sees God. Since Lucius is LE, God, the way Lucius sees it, is either LN, LE or NE. Starting from that, you can work on the aspects of the God your character worships, like his domains and favored weapon.
Cardinal Lucius d'Borja |
Lucius definitely sees God as LN.
Given the church prohibition on spilling blood God's favored weapon is probably the heavy mace.
Reflecting Lucius' way of serving God, that evil can be and often is necessary he'll take the Trickery domain - more because it reflects his personality rather than anything else!
Michel Bellamy |
I just realized I forgot to roll for Wealth.
Wealth: 1d6 ⇒ 2*10=20
...I can take Average right?
I decided against Adoptive Parentage. I'll pick up Dwarven Languages next level. Michel is still somewhat new to the region, and hasn't had to interact with the locals often.
Everything should be in order. I'm good to go starting now.
Killer Pixie |
Lucius definitely sees God as LN.
Given the church prohibition on spilling blood God's favored weapon is probably the heavy mace.
Reflecting Lucius' way of serving God, that evil can be and often is necessary he'll take the Trickery domain - more because it reflects his personality rather than anything else!
Cool!
Killer Pixie |
@Killer Pixie
I was originally thinking that maybe a raven would be a not-too-strange pet, but then I remembered that I already have a raven familiar on a different PbP, so I starting thinking about other things, like maybe the viper, rat, or cat.
Ravens, vipers and cats are known in Otlukbeli. Rats, maybe not, but I don't think it would be a problem.
Killer Pixie |
I just realized I forgot to roll for Wealth.
[dice=Wealth]1d6*10=20
...I can take Average right?
I decided against Adoptive Parentage. I'll pick up Dwarven Languages next level. Michel is still somewhat new to the region, and hasn't had to interact with the locals often.
Everything should be in order. I'm good to go starting now.
Yup, you can take average.
Killer Pixie |
Is Misimba ok? Attaching his background now, but other than that, is there anything I need to add or change? He wears no armour at this point, so his AC is not the greatest... not too sure what he would think of wearing armour. Having seen it in use in battle, he might go for some studded leather or a chain shirt....what do you think?
Okay, I checked Misimba, and, apart from what I mentioned before, there are few things that I don't understand:
You say you have a +10 bonus in Stealth and a +6 bonus in Ride. How is that?
Also, could you post in the alias the price of the pieces of equipment Misimba has? I'm getting a different surplus of gold than yours.
Thank you!
Kubular |
As far as I can see Misimba should have +11 to stealth, +7 ride, and +5 climb. I believe he may have accidentally calculated with ACP despite not having armor at the moment. In which case, remember that strength based skills (climb and swim) apply double ACP when you do get armor.
Double ACP only applies to swim.
EDIT: Also, I think Misimba could justify wearing Hide or Leather fairly easily.