How come Thralls don't have the minion trait or count as summoned monsters? Several spells don't work on them that feel thematic to a necromancer, like Necromancer's Generosity or final Sacrifice. Was it deliberate?
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Was it deliberate?
Yes, as Minions [and Summoned is a subset of Minion] can be commanded to do 2 actions while Thralls need specific commands to use specific actions. That was a deliberate choice.
Agreed. The Minion trait comes with a lot of rules attached that Thralls are not supposed to have.
And the interactions mentioned - while they may be thematic - also cause balance problems.
Final Sacrifice available for a resourceless summon that you can get at least two of each round is way too much.
And while Necromancer's Generosity sounds cool, it wouldn't be a good idea. You can't regain HP that you don't have in the first place and basic Thralls only have 1 HP. And the HP of focus point Thralls are meant to be a balance consideration. You can still heal those ones through other means though, so maybe that one is fine to houserule allow.
Final Sacrifice available for a resourceless summon that you can get at least two of each round is way too much.And while Necromancer's Generosity sounds cool, it wouldn't be a good idea. You can't regain HP that you don't have in the first place and basic Thralls only have 1 HP. And the HP of focus point Thralls are meant to be a balance consideration. You can still heal those ones through other means though, so maybe that one is fine to houserule allow.
As to the former, it uses a spell slot, which *is* limited, and affects only one minion.
As to the latter, i understand this. its not a good option for them, although perhaps it might be good on conjured undead or an undead familiar.
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Final Sacrifice available for a resourceless summon that you can get at least two of each round is way too much.And while Necromancer's Generosity sounds cool, it wouldn't be a good idea. You can't regain HP that you don't have in the first place and basic Thralls only have 1 HP. And the HP of focus point Thralls are meant to be a balance consideration. You can still heal those ones through other means though, so maybe that one is fine to houserule allow.
As to the former, it uses a spell slot, which *is* limited, and affects only one minion.
As to the latter, i understand this. its not a good option for them, although perhaps it might be good on conjured undead or an undead familiar.
final sacrifice has extremely good damage for it's rank. It is, quite literally, fireball but one rank lower. This is supposed to be balanced out by the fact you're losing something that cost you a lot of actions to get (summon spells) or is an integral part of your kit (a familiar or animal companion).
If you could use it on Thralls it would be pretty broken by the standards of the system.
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It is, quite literally, fireball but one rank lower.
Yup. It is one Rank earlier to get access to it at all, and one Rank better at all casting Ranks.
There are quite literally build recommendations saying that Witches should regularly nuke their familiar each day because of how good it is.
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It is, quite literally, fireball but one rank lower.There are quite literally build recommendations saying that Witches should regularly nuke their familiar each day because of how good it is.
Those monsters... That familiar is your best friend and companion!
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Those monsters... That familiar is your best friend and companion!It is, quite literally, fireball but one rank lower.There are quite literally build recommendations saying that Witches should regularly nuke their familiar each day because of how good it is.
Preach, brother.
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Those monsters... That familiar is your best friend and companion!It is, quite literally, fireball but one rank lower.There are quite literally build recommendations saying that Witches should regularly nuke their familiar each day because of how good it is.
So good that alignment is gone and the impact of Final Sacrifice with it.
My PFS Baba Yaga Witch's familiar is a pen. Mightier than the sword.
When it's time for it to blow up, I thank it for its sacrifice and say See you tomorrow.
I would likely do the same for any kind of familiar.
Perhaps an animated pen would not be upset about it.
But if you think that you can convince Farien to willingly suffer a violent and explosive death regularly, I would be interested in hearing what logical reasoning you use.
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And painful. Violent, explosive, and painful. Don't forget the painful part.
I will give them money. Moreover, because I know the value of a life, I will give them lots of money.Perhaps an animated pen would not be upset about it.
But if you think that you can convince Farien to willingly suffer a violent and explosive death regularly, I would be interested in hearing what logical reasoning you use.
Choked on my cereal reading this, lol