The new Sorcerer

[kit3]

Theaitetos wrote:

Old_Man_Robot wrote:

My first impression is "Is Force Barrage not incredibly funny now?"

Casting multiple 1 action Force Barrage's now can do silly things with Blood magic effects. Propelling Sorcery and Explosion of Power being the standouts.

While Force Barrage definitely triggers an Imperial Sorcerer's bloodmagic, and you can use the bloodmagic effect on yourself, it's unclear as to whether you can use the bloodmagic effect on your target:

Blood Magic wrote:

The blood magic effect occurs after

resolving any checks for the spell’s initial effects and, against
a foe, applies only if the spell is a successful attack or the
foe fails its saving throw.

Force Barrage has neither a saving throw, nor an attack roll, it just "automatically hits". Whether this constitutes a "successful attack" is a grey area, but probably not.

I just wanted to echo this interpretation of the rules (in fact, I don't even think it's a grey area). Force Barrage is neither an attack nor does it provide a saving throw. Therefore, it cannot affect a foe with a blood magic effect.

However, that doesn't mean that the Imperial bloodline can't combine Propelling Sorcery with Force Barrage. You could still cast a first rank Force Barrage on an ally to reposition them at the cost of a little damage. If they are Grappled, this could be a good way to end the condition for a single action (it would still require a check as outlined in the Immobilized condition though). It would be like an off-brand Liberating Command.

[Dr. Frank Funkelstein]

Regarding divine sorcerer, Sorcerous Potency and Angelic Halo, i saw that foundry implemented it stacking by assigning the Sorcerous Potency status bonus to the player character and the Angelic Halo status bonus to the target.
For example, a rank 3 heal (2 actions) rolls for 3d8+24+3 and the target inside the angelic halo aura gets healed by that value +6.

Makes sense to me, as the wording for Sorcerous Potency states "you gain a status bonus" and Angelic Halo states "Allies [...] gain a status bonus".

[BigHatMarisa]

My initial, knee-jerk reaction to seeing Imperial Sorcerer (specifically ancestral memories):
"If a no-save, no-time-limit -2 to saves/+2 to spell attacks at least once per combat at level 9 somehow turns out to not be considered broken then can we just do away with sure strike already so that spell can stop implicitly nerfing AC-targeting spells by existing and just give casters a spell version of a gate attenuator or something (maxing at +2 accuracy and all)?"

I... don't know why Primal Dragon Breath is exclusively fire. The other three options are good in that they tend to dodge resistance (if not immunity like mental/spirit), and while fire is I think the most weakness-oriented damage type, it's also the most resisted. Also, importantly... neither of the current Primal dragons breathe fire! Horned Dragons breathe poison and Adamantine Dragons breathe bludgeoning rocks. Huge flavor fail from what we currently have. If I had to change it to a single, one-word damage type for page brevity, I'd probably pick poison, but I wish the sidebar that described choosing a specific dragon exemplar also said that you can use their damage for breath. That's probably how I'll run it.

On a more general note I like Sorcerers embracing the actual bloodline part of their chassis more, and I like that they can gain more than their base blood magic effect with feats. Bleed Out is f!&&ing funny, even if it's not amazing, and it makes me yearn for more literal blood magic stuff in the future for them.

[MithraMax]

Are there any updates on the Psychopomp Sorcerer Bloodline (included in pre-remaster APG)? I thought it was going to be included in Divine Mysteries: I received my PDF of Lost Omens: Divine Mysteries this morning and after looking through it, couldn’t find any sections with the Psychopomp Bloodline.