Deskari and the Mythic Subtype

[Arkat]

The stat block for Deskari towards the back of Book 6 of the WotR AP says he is a CR 29 and it does not give him the Mythic Subtype or anything "Mythic" at all.

I would imagine that stat block is supposed to represent what Deskari would be if he were to be encountered outside of his Abyssal Realm, the Rasping Rifts.

Yet nowhere in the entire AP (Book 6 really) do we encounter Deskari anywhere else besides at the bottom of the Worldwound in the Rasping Rifts, not even in the bit where the book points out we can finish off Deskari permanently. We just have to go back to the Rasping Rifts to do it.

As we should all know, Demon Lords act in all respects like they have 10 Mythic Ranks (not Tiers) in their own realms. In Deskari's case - the Rasping Rifts.

Since we never encounter Deskari outside of the Rasping Rifts, why does his stat block not mention anything about him being "Mythic" at all??

Having 10 Mythic Ranks should add 5 to his CR, btw, making his final CR a 34.

Is Deskari an exception to the Demon Lords acting as Mythic 10 creatures in their own realm rule? If so, why?

What about Baphomet? He didn't have the Mythic Subtype either.

What's going on here??

[treblignotrub]

I am not sure where you see that Demon Lords should have 10 Mythic ranks.

I went back to book 4 and Nocticula (CR30) does not have any Mythic tiers either. These three Big Baddies were probably stated out long before the Mythic Rules were released and thus did not have any Mythic tiers.

From a story perspective, The Mythic tiers, in my opinion, are to bring the PC's up to their level. To make mortals capable for going against high level opponents of the Outer Planes. To make them semi-divine in their own right.

Demon Lords are effectively demi-gods, especially when in their own realm. If you do not think they are tough enough for the PCs, due to game mechanics, then just crank up the HP or add a few levels.

If it is a flavor thing you are looking for then pick and add what you think would be a compatible Mythic path or a few feats. I recommend Dual-Initiative, or maybe just give them some mythic power dice to use.

To me there is only so many actions you will get to use during a fight that adding more option (Mythic Tiers, or class level) gets overly complicated. With all the things I need to track as a GM I would rather just add some hit dice with corresponding HP and To Hit bonuses. the simpler the better for me.

[Stip]

i would reccomend using the alternate statblocks from this forum regardless. the campaign path ones are tissue paper. as is, i often need to double hit pointa to proivde a challenge and my pcs do not have access to mythic feats or class abilities

[Arkat]

treblignotrub wrote:

I am not sure where you see that Demon Lords should have 10 Mythic ranks.

I went back to book 4 and Nocticula (CR30) does not have any Mythic tiers either. These three Big Baddies were probably stated out long before the Mythic Rules were released and thus did not have any Mythic tiers.

From a story perspective, The Mythic tiers, in my opinion, are to bring the PC's up to their level. To make mortals capable for going against high level opponents of the Outer Planes. To make them semi-divine in their own right.

Demon Lords are effectively demi-gods, especially when in their own realm. If you do not think they are tough enough for the PCs, due to game mechanics, then just crank up the HP or add a few levels.

You are confusing Mythic Ranks and Mythic Tiers. Mythic Tiers are for Player Characters. Mythic Ranks are for "Monsters."

Mythic Ranks are distinguished clearly on page 226 of Mythic Adventures under the Mythic Subtype heading.

As to where I get my information on Demon Lords having Mythic Ranks, it is here. Check the Abyssal Realms heading down near the bottom of the page.

Keep in mind, they only function as though they are Mythic Rank 10 in their own abyssal realms.

Empyreal Lords also function like they have 10 Mythic Ranks in their own realms.

[treblignotrub]

I see it now, listed in d20pfsrd.com and also in aonprd.com. I would have thought they would have pointed that out in the AP Book with Nocticula or Book 5 with Baphomet. One of a million details that might have gotten lost in word count limit.

It looks like it is from Bestiary 4 which came out at the same time as the AP and Mythic Adventures. I don't have a copy of Bestiary 4 to check original source. Thanks for pointing out the proper semantics. I was using tier/rank interchangeably.

I know my party will jump at the chance to fight a Demon Lord so I will be doing more than adding Mythic 10 Ranks.