Artisan's toolkit types?

[Ravingdork]

What kinds of artisan's toolkits are there?

Blacksmith and carpentry (not sure why they say "wood working") are mentioned in the item's text; are any others mentioned in publication anywhere?

What kinds do you think are the most common? Asking for an inventor who wants to make most everything.

Closest thing I could find were the categories from the Specialty Crafting skill feat:

Alchemy - Alchemical items such as elixirs
Artistry - Fine art, including jewelry
Blacksmithing - Durable metal goods, including metal armor
Bookmaking - Books and paper
Glassmaking - Glass, including glassware and windows
Leatherworking - Leather goods, including leather armor
Pottery - Ceramic goods
Shipbuilding - Ships and boats
Stonemasonry - Stone goods and structures
Tailoring - Clothing
Weaving - Textiles, baskets, and rugs
Woodworking - Wooden goods and structures

[graystone]

Ravingdork wrote:

(not sure why they say "wood working")

Carpentry is for large projects like buildings, bridges, ect. Woodworking is for making smaller objects like desks, chairs or a jewelry box: A Carpentry tool, like a 2 handed crosscut saw, isn't going to help much in making a wand while a while a 1 handed Woodworking tool wouldn't be much help on making a log cabin or a sail boat. Now I don't know if the game means for there to be 2 categories for crafting with wood or not but if it's meant to be one category, woodworking is as good a name as carpentry.

Ravingdork wrote:

Closest thing I could find were the categories from the Specialty Crafting skill feat

Seems like a good list: if something falls outside those, it'd be an 'ask your DM' answer.

Ravingdork wrote:

What kinds of artisan's toolkits are there?

If the player is going to get artisan's toolkits for every type, he could always ask the Dm if he could consolidate duplicate tools: for instance, a set of scissors could be used in Weaving, Tailoring, Leatherworking, Bookmaking, Glassmaking and Alchemy and hammers in Artistry, Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Shipbuilding, Stonemasonry and Woodworking. He might be able to shave off some bulk if the DM gets on board.

[Ravingdork]

I'm not familiar with scissors used in glass making. How does that work?

[graystone]

Ravingdork wrote:

I'm not familiar with scissors used in glass making. How does that work?

It's used in glassblowing, when the hot glass is fluid.

[Ravingdork]

graystone wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

I'm not familiar with scissors used in glass making. How does that work?

It's used in glassblowing, when the hot glass is fluid.

I'm willing to bet the kinds of scissors used for cutting molten glass are not the same kind of scissors that can be used for cutting fabric or paper.

[graystone]

Ravingdork wrote:

graystone wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

I'm not familiar with scissors used in glass making. How does that work?

It's used in glassblowing, when the hot glass is fluid.

I'm willing to bet the kinds of scissors used for cutting molten glass are not the same kind of scissors that can be used for cutting fabric or paper.

Bubble, Casting and Trim shears are quite similar to the ones used for heavy leather work: they are technically called shears but all that means is they are sturdier scissors.

Here is the description of some shears from amazon: "Originally designed as bonsai scissors, these precision utility shears are great cutting tools for the kitchen, garden, office or workshop. Razor sharp blades cut through anything from silk to soft sheet metal. The shears also feature oversized butterfly handles suitable for left- or right-handed use." "Great for Cutting Hot Glass"

And in the reviews "Cuts thin molten glass. I purchased it to cut glass vitrograph*."

*creating fine strings of glass by pulling molten glass.

[Ravingdork]

Learning a lot today!

[graystone]

I've been to the Corning Museum of Glass and our local shops several times and have watched/participated in a good bit of glasswork. It's fascinating what you can do with glass. It's a shame that most of the local glasswork is now stained glass and bongs... :(

[Qaianna]

I'd probably go with the specialist categories listed with a healthy sense of 'close enough'. Shipbuilding and woodworking I can see sharing quite a few (assuming 'woodworking' is also carpentry), as well as some between tailoring and weaving. Now, asking to use your bookbinding tools to reforge a sword? That's a bit different.

[Outl]

I've put a ridiculous amount of thought into this question. I can explain in GREAT detail the assumptions that led to this, if you care, but the short answer is: I think it's simplest to have one toolset for each type of material. But then bend the list slightly to accomodate the different types of Specialty Crafting, and categories called out in other feats and rulebooks. There were a few I just couldn't bring myself to combine though: for instance, I didn't lump shipbuilding in with wood even though ships are made of wood.

Because I didn't want to duplicate items that already exist, such as Alchemist's Lab, Paint Set, Cookware, Snare Kit, and so on, I settled on this list. A magic item made of several different materials might require several toolsets. On the other hand, you needn't overlap tools: Etching tools are for runes, but if you already have metal tools that's enough for etching a sword, you don't ALSO need the etching set.

Wood
Leather
Metal
Cloth
Stone
Glass
Ceramics
Weaving
Paper
Lapidary
Shipbuilding
Jewelry
Gunsmithing
Clockwork
Etching
Tattoo
Taxidermy
Crafts (this is my catchall for other types of 'artistry', other than jewelry. Basically everything in Hobby Lobby)

On a related note, I also made a list of private wokshops. Besides the Smithy, Tannery, and Alchemy Lab, (and Pocket Stage), I've identified ten other types: Pottery Kiln, Glass Furnace, Kitchen/Oven, Woodshop, or workshops for clothes, stonemasonry, weaving, books/paper, jeweler/lapidary, and gunsmith.

Some other items I might put on the equipment list, but not as artisan tools: Pot Still, Quern, Forgery Kit, and maybe even a Gristmill.