Natural Lycanthropy and the Full Moon.


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I have a party that has a befriended Jacklewere with them (too long to explain, but there it is). I can't find any rules about Natural Lycathrope and effects of the full moon, only afflicted. Does the Jacklewere have to make a Will Save DC 15 under a full moon to retain human form? Does she radiate a "ping" on detect disease spells? Not much guidance I can find.

Shadow Lodge

Source Pathfinder RPG Bestiary pg. 197

Lycanthropes are humanoids with the ability to turn into animals and animal-humanoid hybrid shapes. Natural lycanthropes are born with this ability and have perfect control over their shapechanging. Afflicted lycanthropes contract this ability like a curse or disease from another lycanthrope; they sometimes change form involuntarily.

Creating a Lycanthrope
“Lycanthrope” is an inherited (for natural lycanthropes) or acquired (for afflicted lycanthropes) template that can be added to any humanoid.
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Special Attacks: A lycanthrope retains all the special attacks, qualities, and abilities of the base creature. In hybrid or animal form it gains the special attacks, qualities, and abilities of the base animal. A lycanthrope also gains low-light vision, scent, and the following:

Change Shape (Su) All lycanthropes have three forms—a humanoid form, an animal form, and a hybrid form. Equipment does not meld with the new form between humanoid and hybrid form, but does between those forms and animal form. A natural lycanthrope can shift to any of its three alternate forms as a move-equivalent action. An afflicted lycanthrope can assume animal or hybrid form as a full-round action by making a DC 15 Constitution check, or humanoid form as a full-round action by making a DC 20 Constitution check. On nights when the full moon is visible, an afflicted lycanthrope gains a +5 morale bonus to Constitution checks made to assume animal or hybrid form, but a –5 penalty to Constitution checks made to assume humanoid form. An afflicted lycanthrope reverts to its humanoid form automatically with the next sunrise, or after 8 hours of rest, whichever comes first. A slain lycanthrope reverts to its humanoid form, although it remains dead.

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Lycanthropy
A creature that catches lycanthropy becomes an afflicted lycanthrope, but shows no symptoms (and does not gain any of the template's adjustments or abilities) until the night of the next full moon, when the victim involuntarily assumes animal form and forgets his or her own identity. The character remains in animal form until the next dawn and remembers nothing about the entire episode (or subsequent episodes) unless he makes a DC 20 Will save, in which case he becomes aware of his condition.

A remove disease or heal spell cast by a cleric of 12th level or higher cures the affliction, provided the character receives the spell within 3 days of the infecting lycanthrope's attack. Alternatively, consuming a dose of wolfsbane (Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook 560) gives an afflicted lycanthrope a new Fortitude save to recover from lycanthropy.

Only 'afflicted' lycanthropes have to worry about transforming involuntarily, as 'natural' lycanthropes have perfect control...


That's all I found as well. So, RAW, natural lycanthropes are not affected by the moon at all. Born a werewolf, no feral state. I also discovered that a jacklewere, despite the name, is not a lycanthrope, just a shapeshifter. So, there's that.

I think I prefer the old school howlers at the moon even for natural lycanthropes.

Thanks!

Shadow Lodge

2bz2p wrote:

That's all I found as well. So, RAW, natural lycanthropes are not affected by the moon at all. Born a werewolf, no feral state. I also discovered that a jacklewere, despite the name, is not a lycanthrope, just a shapeshifter. So, there's that.

I think I prefer the old school howlers at the moon even for natural lycanthropes.

Thanks!

To be fair, natural lycanthropes are typically NPCs, so anything that happens outside of the single encounter where the PCs kill them is largely irrelevant.

PCs could become afflicted lycanthropes, so more rules and 'downsides' are required to keep them somewhat balanced.


"Inheritance: Those creatures born with the blood of lycanthropy fully within them are known as natural lycanthropes. These individuals are every bit as accursed as their afflicted counterparts, save that they are, for the most part, capable of controlling their bestial urges. While they can transform at will and are not so attuned to the mysterious influence of the phases of the moon, the blood of the beast still burns brightly within them, and many natural lycanthropes turn toward a path of depravity and insatiable hunger." Blood of the Moon pg. 26

Taja the Barbarian wrote:
PCs could become afflicted lycanthropes, so more rules and 'downsides' are required to keep them somewhat balanced.

Very true, inherited lycanthropy is one of the most powerful CR+1 templates out there, if you let the PCs build their character with it in mind.

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