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In practice you won't get more than 3-4 Urban Grids for a Metropolis. So fitting in one hex is fine.
That section IS still in 2e.
Kingmaker 2e, Page 543 under Structures:
When you build in a lot within one of your settlements, you’re rarely literally constructing a single building. While an arena or cathedral might stand alone as a towering edifice, most lots represent a number of buildings whose focus is to support the type of improvement that lot supports. For example, a brewery could represent a collection of brewers and bottlers and the families who support them, while a luxury merchant would represent
several specialized stores. Even sprawling, sizable improvements like dumps, cemeteries, or parks might include nearby dwellings or cottages for those who tend and manage the area or live along its margins.
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I wouldn't say removed since the 2e system is completely new, it's not just an update of the 1e rules. It might take some inspiration but it's really a whole new system. I know you're well vested in the 1e rules but I'd recommend keeping this in mind.
The 2e system does seem like it doesn't specify the size of lots/blocks/urban grids. It can just be whatever you want I guess.
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The size of the lots and blocks in the urban grid is up to the GM and players to decide, and that size can be different for different cities. It's meant to be an abstraction of a city, not a detailed map... but you can absolutely use an urban grid as a rough draft to create a detailed map of a city.
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As long as we've got Mr. Jacobs' attention, and on this topic... ;-)
Having an abstract Urban Grid works OK for a city, but only up to the point where that city becomes a metropolis, if it also had walls or is an island. In this case, what happens then? Do the walls on the borders get retroactively redistributed? Same question for the Water borders of an island city.
Personally, I like the idea of having the "old city" be enclosed in a set of inner walls, with the "new city" outside of said walls. And for an island, I'd prefer to predetermine the size of the grid(s) that can be fit on it, to give the players and the GM the opportunity to plan ahead.
Thanks!
Franklin
If you want your metropolis to have walls/rivers around each district, then build walls/place water on all four borders of each urban grid. If you want your metropolis to have only one wall/water border, then place them so that when you put all of your multiple urban grids down that their borders where they connect do not have walls or rivers. If you already built walls there, you'll need to demolish them. That said, having a metropolis that still has internal walls where it outgrew its original size is something that happens all the time in real world history, as well as being an element in Golarion city maps now and then.
That all said, the whole kingdom building and settlement building rules are meant to be tools to help you tell parts of the story that the Core rules don't work for, and depending on the type of story you and your table prefer, you should absolutely adjust the rules as works best for your group. There's lots of great suggestions on these boards for how to adjust or fine-tune the kingdom/city/army rules that I'm largely and intentionally NOT taking direct part in because I don't want to foster the idea that there's only one "correct" interpretation for them.
But I stepped in to answer the question about the urban grid because in that case I felt comfortable sharing my take.
As long as we've got Mr. Jacobs' attention, and on this topic... ;-)
Having an abstract Urban Grid works OK for a city, but only up to the point where that city becomes a metropolis, if it also had walls or is an island. In this case, what happens then? Do the walls on the borders get retroactively redistributed? Same question for the Water borders of an island city.
Personally, I like the idea of having the "old city" be enclosed in a set of inner walls, with the "new city" outside of said walls. And for an island, I'd prefer to predetermine the size of the grid(s) that can be fit on it, to give the players and the GM the opportunity to plan ahead.
Thanks!
Franklin
If you want your metropolis to have walls/rivers around each district, then build walls/place water on all four borders of each urban grid. If you want your metropolis to have only one wall/water border, then place them so that when you put all of your multiple urban grids down that their borders where they connect do not have walls or rivers. If you already built walls there, you'll need to demolish them. That said, having a metropolis that still has internal walls where it outgrew its original size is something that happens all the time in real world history, as well as being an element in Golarion city maps now and then.
That all said, the whole kingdom building and settlement building rules are meant to be tools to help you tell parts of the story that the Core rules don't work for, and depending on the type of story you and your table prefer, you should absolutely adjust the rules as works best for your group. There's lots of great suggestions on these boards for how to adjust or fine-tune the kingdom/city/army rules that I'm largely and intentionally NOT taking direct part in because I don't want to foster the idea that there's only one "correct" interpretation for them.
But I stepped in to answer the question about the urban grid because in that case I felt comfortable sharing my take.
Always happy to hear your take for anything you're willing to give it on! Thanks for the input!