Cordell Kintner wrote:
Since I'm the GM and don't need to convince anyone I think I'm just going to rule that it's figured as an Innate spell with an activation action cost equal to the normal cantrip casting time. Doing so doesn't seem like it'll break anything so I'm good.
Thanks for the advice folks!
Since there is already an influence system, I had thought of combining it with a victory Points system with the same checks but higher DCs only for those who reached maximum influence, or a system separated.
The Influence system IS a Victory Point system. They lay out the Victory Point system and then give specific, concrete examples of using different permutations of it. You could cobble together a Romance system from scratch and could probably be done in like 5 minutes flat with the tools.
Cordell Kintner wrote:
Alternately "Certain spells are natural to your character, typically coming from your ancestry OR A MAGIC ITEM" which to me indicates it would follow the rules for innate magic item.
It's easy enough to HR that the activation takes however many actions the cantrip would normally take.
I do camping pretty easily. Someone prepares the campsite and then we run down the list - who's camouflaging, who's cooking, who's organizing watches etc. Then make the rolls.
Once all the mechanics are out of the way (which takes like 5 minutes tops), folks are free to RP. "I talk to Amiri while I'm cooking dinner".
I don't roll all the random encounters. I usually do one during the day, one during camping and others that come up as a result of critical fails on activities. Otherwise the game can really bog down into nothing more than random encounters which isn't fun for our group. One here or there? Fine, it happens. 2 or 3 during the night while people are sleeping...ugh.
I'm aiming to tie Nyrissa and the machinations into things much tighter and foreshadow a behind the scenes force super, super early. Ideally to have clues of her manipulating the various "bosses" along the way - Tartuk (who in my game is separate from Tartuccio because that plot is bad in the AP), The Stag Lord etc.
Is there a list anyone knows of that lists the "bosses" or what one would perceive a boss to be? If not it's not a big deal to go through the AP and earmark them myself, just thought I'd see if I could save a bit of prep work that way.
I do also plan to have her feature as elements of one PCs Willing Host background and another PC's Enigma muse.
James Jacobs wrote:
Sorry I meant lowest common denominator as in the broadest possible base for the adventure. In my mind that means average experience and average characters and average party size.
If you have players like that you will 100% have to tweak things. Adventures are written for the lowest common denominator. Which means for combat, if you have a skilled and min-maxed group the encounters are going to be easy. It's the nature of using a pre-written adventure.
In essence encounters being too easy for some groups is a thing. Absolutely without question. However that's part and parcel of pre-written adventures as a whole and I don't think the encounters in Pathfindre are outside the norm on that front. My group has extensive experience with other games but are new to PF2e and none of them are the optimizing type so they're finding the encounters to be just about right.
A single troll against 3 5th level PCs is a low threat encounter so them winning with minimal danger is the expectation, especially with some semblance of basic tactics and when the troll is outnumbered 3 to 1.
When it comes to tweaking, you're pretty much always better adding (or removing) a creature instead of using Elite/Weak. Fights are better when the number of opponents is equal or slightly more than the number of PCs.
As a note though - making a creature Elite bumps AC, Attacks, DCs, Saves and Perception by +2 which is a fairly big boost.
Tweaking encounters for any particular party composition is <always> going to be part of the GM's job. Pre-written adventures generally play to an average party and average group of players. Fine tuning them is, broadly speaking, mandatory. My party has cake walked through moderate encounters, did okay with a severe one and then got tuned up by a low encounter that happened at night when folks didn't have armor and needed to use actions to grab their weapons etc.
Dice rolls are also a huge factor. There's a big difference in an encounter when our giant instinct barbarian rolls well (especially with Magic Weapon cast on him) and when his high roll is a 7 all session.
It's well worth analyzing why the encounters aren't challenging so that you can look at where things need to be tweaked.
The things we've found let us get through the Camping activities fairly quickly with 6 players.
1. Much as we have a default marching order and default exploration activities we have default camping activities.
2. We do a quick check if anyone wants to do something other than their default.
3. Make the rolls, adjudicate the mechanics (other than cooking which is done after people choose what they are eating).
We basically do all the mechanical parts quickly and efficiently which then gives a frame work for any RP the players want to do. A talk between two PCs could be while one is cooking and the other is organizing the watches or maybe one is Hunting/Gathering while another one Aids.
We can get through the mechanical part in like 10 minutes tops and then get back to the RP quickly.
That's what my party did when I was a player through this AP using PF1 - we told bandits that we captured that if they agreed to work at Oleg's for a year and a day, their slate would be wiped clean. Even got Happs to reform that way.
In our game Happs met a pretty violent end (Giant Instinct Barbarian on a crit while raging..) but they did convince some others.
One of the PCs is inclined towards the idea that if folks are already living here and not posing a threat then they should be asked to join the Kingdom (when they get there). It gives a strong RP hook and means they approach things with a goal of diplomacy when possible, force when it's not. Heck they've convinced a couple of the bandits at Oleg's and Thorn River to try for rehabilitation as general laborers or hunters etc.
I'm inclined to completely do away with the gnome who becomes a kobold and instead have Tartuk be a completely separate character more akin to Hargulka so that when the PCs encounter the trolls later on there will be a resonance with this earlier situation and thus a stronger story tie.
In the AP that whole storyline with Tartuccio is...bad. Just bad. The timeline makes no sense. There's no time really to build him into a credible antagonist. There's no real reason for the PCs to care about the reveal.
So far I haven't read anything that necessitates Tartuccio being Tartuk. My PCs don't have any real hatred of Tartuccio. I mean they certainly found him irritating and full of himself but the reveal will likely have zero impact. On top of that they did succeed at influencing him to some degree during the feast (faked though his attitude towards them may be) and it makes way, way more sense for him to capitalize on that to spy on them then to run around pretending to be a kobold.
Is there any reason beyond "that's how it is in the video game" to not have Tartuk and Tartuccio be two different people?
I know the PCs have to spend 1 week a month attending to their duties, but if you do a "time skip" and do 12 campaign turns back to back. Would you give them 252 days of downtime to spend? I feel like they could accumulate decent amount of money earning a living (and basically living for free as rulers of their capital)
It'll likely be 9 turns so the return to live play will be when the Kingdom is level 4 but that depends on what level they are when they found it.
In terms of money it's not that much really. Until the Kingdom is level 4 they still need to pay for standard of living, which can easily be narrated as needing to fund things out of pocket until established.
The monetary amounts for Earn Income are quite meager at the lower levels and assuming the following
a) Paying for a comfortable standard of living
It's a total of about 33gp. They'd probably earn more by exploring the map over that time.
It doesn't appear that you do. Some activities specify that you must have laid claim (Build Roads for example) and Build Work Site does not.
Personally I'm fine with having lumber camps, mines etc. that aren't part of the kingdom proper exactly. It meshes with so, so many adventures that are set in just such places.
If you're using the full camping rules from the Companion Guide then in stage 3 - Eating, folks either use rations, eat a prepared meal or Subsist.
The big thing is that Subsist means you don't need rations but also you don't get the benefits of the prepared meals.
As for any benefits of standard of living, for me that's a RP thing more than anything.
To outline these are my issues with it as written.
1. The wording makes it sound like I need to decide if the bad guys are doing Avoid Notice which is an exploration activity. I get what they mean but the wording is clunky and normally PF2 language use is clearer.
2. If the above is the case then that means that the bad guys need to roll Stealth vs. Perception DC and then if they are successful the character with this feat gets to make a roll of their Perception. So two points of failure and back to back rolls on top of that.
3. In case 2 is the DC for the Perception check the Stealth DC of the bad guys or is it the total of their roll? Someone with a +8 stealth would have a Stealth DC of 18 but they could have rolled a 27. If you use the Stealth DC then they are somehow easier to notice? If you use the rolled number then we're into opposed rolls which PF2e seems to take great pains to avoid. More confusing...how would you adjudicate a critical success on their Avoid Notice?
It's the wording that's odd to me. Like it really does read like it's from an unfinished take on the rules and maybe it is since I don't know what the publication order was like. The wording "You can attempt a check to notice hidden creatures attempting to Avoid Notice nearby even if you aren't actively Searching for them. You still need to meet any other requirements to notice a particular creature."
In my (admittedly limited) experience that's not consistent with most writing which would be more along the lines of how many actions it's used and what the DC would be. Especially since the Search Activity doesn't, by RAW, include finding creatures anyway. It seems to introduce unnecessary dice rolls and increase the odds of the creature failing to hide.
Absolutely. This isn't a matter of "I know I'm 4th level but can I take a 6th level feat" but "can I take two 4th level archetype feats in lieu of the free archetype feat and the class feat"
That just sounds needlessly complicated for me. This is more a matter of a player saying "I don't really care for level class feats so can I take 2 Level 4 Archetype Feats instead"
We're still a little ways off from getting to the Kingdom part of things in our game but I like to be prepared.
One of the things I was looking at was doing multiple kingdom turns in the initial setup to show some time passing as the kingdom gets established. I want the players to make choices so I'm going to play through the turns rather than just time skip and give them a starting position.
I do plan to use another suggestion about leveling the Kingdom with the PCs rather than having a whole separate other XP grind so by the time the first Kingdom phase (representing several turns) is over the Kingdom will be of a level equal to the party and grow from there.
My question is, has anyone else done this? If so how many turns of building did you find worked well?
I had actually meant to put this in advice but since most of the mistakes that are likely to come up for me are rules related it still works :)
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
That's what threw me as well. Like if I'm casting Electric Arc then I'm using the Cast a Spell Activity so doesn't that activate the item?
Glad to see it doesn't and I understand now.
1 - A friend told me that it would be beneficial to have something linking the various "bosses" to the BBEG otherwise they show up kinda out of nowhere. Anyone have experience with that?
2 - Do folks handle Kingdom events as Kingdom skills or as adventure seeds (or a combination of both depending on time and inclination)?
Captain Morgan wrote:
We're talking about the sort of players who will loot every dead NPC, turn over every cushion, take whatever monster or animal part that might be sellable. Completionist mentality is what I'm trying to avoid by telling them that they don't <need> to do so for a few measly more silver etc. because the tools in the game encourage me as the GM to ensure they find what they need to be successful.
Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich wrote:
I've basically given the group two choices.
1. RAW with wealth capped by the Wealth By Level table
With the understanding that windfall amounts of coin and items of higher tiers being available based solely on the settlement level will lead to significant game balance issues so there will be a cap in place on one or the other and it's up to them to decide as a group which they'd rather have.
Just to pre-amble by saying I love the Wealth by level table to stop weird things like 5th level D&D characters with +2 weapons etc. "because that's what the random roll was".
However, one of my players feels...constrained...by knowing that no matter what they do between levels the wealth is artificially capped/constrained.
I know the math on the game is super tight and I know items matter but any idea how much wiggle room there is on the wealth by level table.
The Black Tears are not meant to be a threat, the encounters are low or moderate.
They have an AC of 15 so if your monk is critting often that's dice luck. A +4 attribute + 3 proficiency and +1 handwraps gives them +8. Linzi brings that to +9. So they need to roll 16+ to crit. Not unheard of for sure but possibly an anomaly.
Having just done this my biggest piece of advice is to not approach it with the idea of "it's like 5e" If you do then the players will get tripped up on things that aren't the same (like Dex not adding to damage for finesse weapons, for example).
Treat it like it's its own thing. Use the beginner box and the pregens so folks get a feel for things. There's a ton of value in that.