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I'm thrilled that the Beginner Box got a remaster update, but in getting ready to run it for some newbies, I found a few errors in the pregen characters:
1. Kyra should be trained in Diplomacy and untrained in Deception. The skill bonuses correctly reflect this, but the "trained" box is marked for Deception instead of Diplomacy.
2. Kyra should be trained in Nature, as it's Sarenrae's divine skill in Beginner Box rules.
3. Merisiel should be trained in all martial weapons, not just the specific ones listed under "Other Weapon Proficiencies" on her character sheet.
4. Merisiel should have the Pickpocket skill feat, as it's attached to the thief racket in Beginner Box rules.
5. Valeros has the Sudden Charge feat, which in Beginner Box rules means he should have a shield. But his shield's circumstance bonus to AC isn't written down, and no shield is listed in his equipment.
6? Maybe intentional, maybe erroneous. The Criminal background in Beginner Box rules grants Subtle Theft instead of Experienced Smuggler. And the Death Warden Dwarf's attached ancestry feat seems to be a version of Mountain Strategy for fighting undead that can't be replicated in Player Core rules.
And of the other errors mentioned in this thread, the only one corrected in the remastered Beginner Box is "Imtimidation."
This is still the best introduction to Pathfinder 2e for new players. Just wanted to point out some lingering and some new errors.
I'm confused, why does having Sudden Charge mean that Valeros should have a shield? Sudden Charge feat doesn't use a shield in any way.
Instead of choosing from the whole list of fighter feats, Beginner Box rules have the fighter choose between three builds: brute, shield fighter, and two-weapon fighter. A shield fighter gets the Sudden Charge feat, and they have a shield as part of their starting equipment. If Valeros was a two-weapon fighter (as in his PFS build), he would have Double Slice and a shortsword.
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I'm thrilled that the Beginner Box got a remaster update, but in getting ready to run it for some newbies, I found a few errors in the pregen characters:
1. Kyra should be trained in Diplomacy and untrained in Deception. The skill bonuses correctly reflect this, but the "trained" box is marked for Deception instead of Diplomacy.
2. Kyra should be trained in Nature, as it's Sarenrae's divine skill in Beginner Box rules.
3. Merisiel should be trained in all martial weapons, not just the specific ones listed under "Other Weapon Proficiencies" on her character sheet.
4. Merisiel should have the Pickpocket skill feat, as it's attached to the thief racket in Beginner Box rules.
5. Valeros has the Sudden Charge feat, which in Beginner Box rules means he should have a shield. But his shield's circumstance bonus to AC isn't written down, and no shield is listed in his equipment.
6? Maybe intentional, maybe erroneous. The Criminal background in Beginner Box rules grants Subtle Theft instead of Experienced Smuggler. And the Death Warden Dwarf's attached ancestry feat seems to be a version of Mountain Strategy for fighting undead that can't be replicated in Player Core rules.And of the other errors mentioned in this thread, the only one corrected in the remastered Beginner Box is "Imtimidation."
This is still the best introduction to Pathfinder 2e for new players. Just wanted to point out some lingering and some new errors.
Beginner's Box is supposed to be slightly different than normal rules, but I agree you are correct with your first 3 points, but:
4: Skill Feats are not listed for pre-gens to keep the rules lighter for beginners. (Languages are also intentionally missing from the pre-gen sheets.)
5: You are correct. The shield is missing from Valeros' inventory but it is listed below the equipment area. Also Kyra's shield AC bonus is not in the bubble.
6: IIRC this is intentional as Beginner's Box has a few unique rules not replicatable otherwise. Again it was designed to be easily understandable rather than consistent with everything else.
The handbook is correct.
Hello.
Looking at the pre-gen characters, there seems to be an error in the latest 2e revised update.
The Fighter (Valores) has 24 Hit Points.
The Cleric (Kyra) has 21 Hit Points.
The revised Iconic sheets at level 1 has them at 20 for the Fighter and 16 for the Cleric.
The Pathbuilder 2e Character Creater also has these values.
Is there something I'm missing or an error ?
You're comparing apples and oranges. The Beginner Box characters are not the same as the iconics, even though they have the same name and portrait. For one thing, the BB has feats that do not (or did not, when the iconics were first statted up) exist, including one which gives humans extra hit points.