Do Greater Spellhearts Grant the Lesser Spellhearts' Cantrip?

[moosher12]

As title^

My current assumption is no, as the closest to a supporting rule would be how staves work.

[breithauptclan]

I always thought that they did provide all of the spells of the lower level versions too.

Let me see here...

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Spellheart trait - the example crafting requirements says that crafting a five-feather wreath (major) has the cantrip Gale Blast in the list of spells required for crafting - which must be because the item can cast that spell.

[Lucerious]

The cantrip does remain for each upgrade. There is not anything that I could find to say it explicitly, but consider how bad they would be without the cantrip.
I introduce Flaming Star to evidence. If Produce Flame only was available for the level 3 item, that would mean the greater version’s weapon bonus damage would only be good once a day. The greater provides a d6 bonus damage versus the standard being a d4. Why give up an at-will ability to once a day for a single step die upgrade? I argue that is just too bad to be true.

The only thing that makes sense is for the Spellheart’s cantrip to carry over to each upgraded version.

[moosher12]

Might decide to rule that it is included for my games in this case. RaW, it feels like a no, but RaI definitely feels like a yes.

[Ascalaphus]

I'll happily admit that the writing format for spellhearts is a bit obscure. But for both spellhearts and staves the format is pretty similar. A greater staff does its own thing plus all the things the base staff does. Same story for spellhearts. I don't really see how you can infer from how staves are written that greater spellhearts wouldn't have cantrips.

[moosher12]

Ascalaphus wrote:

I'll happily admit that the writing format for spellhearts is a bit obscure. But for both spellhearts and staves the format is pretty similar. A greater staff does its own thing plus all the things the base staff does. Same story for spellhearts. I don't really see how you can infer from how staves are written that greater spellhearts wouldn't have cantrips.

Ah, to clarify. Staves was supporting TOWARD having cantrips, not against. My apologies for being unclear.

What I meant was "Staves include what was before. That might support that spellhearts include the initial cantrip." but I felt the comparison was not strong enough to be completely sure.