Query regarding Harrim (and clerics of Groetus in general)


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I'm currently attaching character sheets to the last characters from the Companion Guide, and read Groetus's edicts/anathema. Edicts include : "put the suffering out of their misery" and anathema include "artificially extend someone's lifespan or existence".
Can Harrim provide healing to an unconscious ally without violating his god's teachings and risking his powers?
As an aside, back in 1st edition, when deity alignments were just "one step away", I had an idle idea for a CG cleric of Groetus who believed that, in the face of inevitable annihilation, he should convince everybody to grab at every chance for happiness, and to party as hard as possible before the end. I never got around to asking about said concept, but with Gods & Magic at hand it seems way off base. What's a good deity or demideity for "we're all doomed, let's party"?

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Wonky Chewbacca wrote:

I'm currently attaching character sheets to the last characters from the Companion Guide, and read Groetus's edicts/anathema. Edicts include : "put the suffering out of their misery" and anathema include "artificially extend someone's lifespan or existence".

Can Harrim provide healing to an unconscious ally without violating his god's teachings and risking his powers?
As an aside, back in 1st edition, when deity alignments were just "one step away", I had an idle idea for a CG cleric of Groetus who believed that, in the face of inevitable annihilation, he should convince everybody to grab at every chance for happiness, and to party as hard as possible before the end. I never got around to asking about said concept, but with Gods & Magic at hand it seems way off base. What's a good deity or demideity for "we're all doomed, let's party"?

He absolutely can provide healing to unconscious allies without risking a violation.

Groetus's edict to put the suffering out of their misery could mean "kill someone who is suffering" but it also means "fix someone who is suffering," even if it does skew toward the former, he can do the latter.

And "artifically extend existance" is more about extending someone's lifespan supernaturally than it is about not saving someone who is dying.

Of course... depending on how the PCs treat him and how much of an ally he becomes (or doesn't become), he might err on the other side. ANY of the companions in this book could become enemies, given the right circumstances. As in the video game, not every companion is a good fit for every party.

And were he a chaotic evil priest, he probably would be more about finishing off unconscious PC "allies" instead of saving them.


James Jacobs wrote:


He absolutely can provide healing to unconscious allies without risking a violation.

Groetus's edict to put the suffering out of their misery could mean "kill someone who is suffering" but it also means "fix someone who is suffering," even if it does skew toward the former, he can do the latter.

And "artifically extend existance" is more about extending someone's lifespan supernaturally than it is about not saving someone who is dying.

Of course... depending on how the PCs treat him and how much of an ally he becomes (or doesn't become), he might err on the other side. ANY of the companions in this book could become enemies, given the right circumstances. As in the video game, not every companion is a good fit for every party.

And were he a chaotic evil priest, he probably would be more about finishing off unconscious PC "allies" instead of saving them.

Who am I to argue with the word of the Prime Theropod himself? I'd thought the specific wording of the anathema might be talking about longer life and the like, but wasn't sure. Thanks for answering (super quickly, no less.)

Mind you, they failed every discovery check with him at the dinner party, and their conversational gambits were all blind guesses that got shut down by his moping, so they may just avoid him entirely. Meanwhile, the teen rebel psychic worshipper of Nocticula thinks Jaethal is "just misunderstood", so I anticipate hilarity in that direction, assuming I can ever pick a multiclass stand-in for inquisitor that feels right.


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Wonky Chewbacca wrote:
Meanwhile, the teen rebel psychic worshipper of Nocticula thinks Jaethal is "just misunderstood", so I anticipate hilarity in that direction, assuming I can ever pick a multiclass stand-in for inquisitor that feels right.

My fiancée in the game I am running is playing a CG Druid who has decided that Jaethal will be her Goth GF(now nicknamed Jaethiccc). One of the other players has played the first chapter of the Owlcat CRPG and know about Jaethal is is just looking on with wonder and fear.

On the note of building Jaethal I went with the Rare revenent background which gives negative healing. Than went ancient elf for heritage so she gets a free cleric dedication and than used NE Champion of Urgathoa for her class. Until we get an official Inquisitor this fits well. Also I think with dedication from players she could be redeemed into a follower of Pharasma like in the CRPG(This could work really well in your game since Nocticula was a CE Demon Lord who redeemed into a CN full Goddess).


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Nicolas Paradise wrote:
Wonky Chewbacca wrote:
used NE Champion of Urgathoa for her class.

good pick. I was just reading her entry in the companion guide and it says she is a champion of Urgathoa in the opening bit.

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