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Unless I'm missing some critical ruling somewhere, it seems to me that Gunslingers are kind of terrible with Combination weapons (even with their newest "way" specifically designed for their usage), due to the fact that the melee aspect of them are considered Martial melee weapons and Gunslingers never get higher than Expert.
Having the functionality to switch to another attack type, but having that attack be automatically 4 less due to proficiency differences (plus whatever disparity between STR and DEX you have) seems like the biggest trap Ive ever seen.
Is there some rule that makes the melee aspect of Combination count as firearm for weapon proficiency purposes? Or are they really just that bad?
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Gunslingers are mediocre with combination weapons. Fighters have the same proficiency problem for most of the game, Barbarians and Swashbucklers can't properly use firearms, rogues have proficiency issues, etc. If you're going to use a combination weapon, might as well be a gunslinger (or a ranger maybe?).
The bigger problem is that the weapons in general just aren't that great, because they're designed to be convenience tools and you pay a noticeable premium in terms of power compared to their normal weapons. Look at the Gunsword, it's an arquebus that loses 100 feet of range and fatal attached to a greatsword that loses two die sizes.
Nobody is going to make that look particularly great.
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The funny thing is is the way specific combination weapon is something a drifter would kill for. It's begging to be dual wielded but without reloading strike to avoid free hands, the new way is kinda just a worse drifter.
NGL even as iffy as combination weapons are I was kind of bummed that Drifter was basically designed to make them not functional. Felt a little unnecessary.
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I wouldn't say that Gunslingers are bad with combination weapons, just that combinations weapons are not good options overall. Besides the new way, I'd say that only Rangers could use them to a somewhat satisfactory degree.
Rogues and Investigators could make good use of them (well, not "them", more like 3 of them), but it is really hard to get scaling proficiency on firearms (I don't know if there even is another way for those classes to get scaling proficiency on a martial one besides Unconventional Weaponry).
And yes, I completely agree on Singular Expertise being a bad decision. It makes both Triggerbrand and Drifter way worse than they should be at doing their thing.
I mean anyone swinging a 1D6 1H finesse weapon can pick up a clan pistol/duelling pistol and blazon's of shared power and have a better weapon combination than the new trigger-brand weapon. One more feat and you have a 1D8 1H finesse weapon to make it even better!
I find really funny that a Drifter with a Jezail with reinforzed Stock or bayonet and a Gauntlet is a better Triggerbrand than a Triggerbrand.
I appreciate the earlier stab and blast for archetyping into gunslinger. Gives me some ideas for the best one handed class for the new combo weapon, thaumaturge. Weapon thaumaturge can intensify for a +2, then a +4 with the second hit.
Same, I wanted to add a Rogue to my backup character folder and a Rogue that goes for Triggerbrand Salvo at 12 is one of my 2 favourite ideas right now.
For a gunslinger with a combination weapon, one possibility to improve the weapon statistics slightly is the inventor multiclass archetype: making the combination weapon an innovation, then adding explode with Explosion and/or dynamic weighting with Basic Modification. Unfortunately, dynamic weighting can't be applied to two-handed combination weapons, which limits the applicability.
The Brilliant Crafter archetype feat also has some synergy with Munitions Crafter, Munitions Machinist, and Precious Munitions.
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Was there ever any indication that you couldn't reload a combination weapon when using it in melee mode? It seems pretty clear how you would use an axe musket and it would just involve shifting your foregrip, a thing you'd do when reloading anyway.
It is worth mentioning that Stab and Blast (and the new feat that is just the same thing at 6th) pushes the build significantly, definitely the kind of overtuned ability that you need to make something naturally suboptimal work. The build is pretty awful before you get that, though.
It is worth mentioning that Stab and Blast (and the new feat that is just the same thing at 6th) pushes the build significantly, definitely the kind of overtuned ability that you need to make something naturally suboptimal work. The build is pretty awful before you get that, though.
It pushes way more other classes that want to archetype into it, as aobst128 or myself mentioned earlier. Rogue, Investigator, Thaumaturge, Inventor... all can get a significant boost at 12 with this (with not that much of a cost for all of them besides Rogue, since their feats are not incredibly good overall)
Which new way? Apparently I missed something…. or it is in impossible lands - which is not available here yet.
Which new way? Apparently I missed something…. or it is in impossible lands - which is not available here yet.
Way of the triggerbrand, impossible lands page 107.
Ah thanks - I’ll await 29 November street date or the archives of nethys update - whatever arrives first.
Ah thanks - I’ll await 29 November street date or the archives of nethys update - whatever arrives first.
You can check it on Pathbuilder if you want. It is a bit clunky that way, but you have all the info there.
Ah that is great. Will do!
Ah thanks - I’ll await 29 November street date or the archives of nethys update - whatever arrives first.
The street date for LO:IL already happened. Next street date release is December 14th, according to the street date for the last part of the Blood Lords AP.
Unless AoN lets us know otherwise, AoN should be updated sometime tonight with content from both LO:IL and Kingmaker.
Yeah, you can get the PDF of Impossible Lands right now. The dead tree edition is still "ships in 11-20 business days" just due to the vagaries of logistics.