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H2Osw wrote:
Hikuen wrote:
How long is a "day"? All the downtime activities, particularly crafting, measure things in days, and yet it's never clarified how long a day is. Is it 24 hours of work? Is it 8 hours? If its 8, can I do two 8 hour "days' of work in a single 24 hour day?
It says you spend 2 days of work setting up, or 1 day if you have the formula. hours doesn't matter because you spend x days, not x hours.

The problem is that other rules make it seem like 1 day is 8 hours.

The Efficient Rituals feat from the Ritualist archetype says "If the ritual normally requires 1 day to cast, you can cast it in 4 hours. If it takes longer than 1 day, you cast it in half the number of days, rounded up." Implying that the feat cuts the time it takes to do things in half... and thus 4 hours is half of 1 day. I understand this may be comparing apples and oranges, but I haven't found anything elsewhere that clarifies one way or the other.

EDIT: In addition, the Quick Setup feat from Treasure Vault says "If you rush the setup of a permanent item at least 6 levels lower than you and reduce the setup time to less than 1 day, you can perform the setup in 4 hours." This seems to imply that crafting works on the same "half-time = 4 hours" format.

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How long is a "day"? All the downtime activities, particularly crafting, measure things in days, and yet it's never clarified how long a day is. Is it 24 hours of work? Is it 8 hours? If its 8, can I do two 8 hour "days' of work in a single 24 hour day?

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Any ETA on errata?

RAW Drifters have been stuck with Expert on melee attacks past level 5 for 2 years now lol

Also, I'd love a clarification on if the follow-up attacks in Chain Reaction from the Unexpected Sharpshooter archetype are affected by Multiple Attack Penalty? It feels like they should be, but also it's only "one" shot followed by a sequence of wild events, so maybe flavor beats mechanics?

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I need that Tarbaphon as a plushie immediately :D

Have all of the new class features been revealed (for previous classes, like the new Elemental Barbarian)? Because Im really hoping for an Elemental Eidolon option for Summoners (though I know there are now 6 different primary elemental types, so that may be a lot to ask for)

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Unless I'm missing some critical ruling somewhere, it seems to me that Gunslingers are kind of terrible with Combination weapons (even with their newest "way" specifically designed for their usage), due to the fact that the melee aspect of them are considered Martial melee weapons and Gunslingers never get higher than Expert.

Having the functionality to switch to another attack type, but having that attack be automatically 4 less due to proficiency differences (plus whatever disparity between STR and DEX you have) seems like the biggest trap Ive ever seen.

Is there some rule that makes the melee aspect of Combination count as firearm for weapon proficiency purposes? Or are they really just that bad?

I want to preface this by stating that I don't personally have a copy of Dark Archive yet, so I am relying on Archive of Nethys to inform me of how things are presented.

That said, it seems to me like the "capstone" for the Chronoskimmer archetype is insanely good for a 14th lvl feat.

"FREE ACTION. You manipulate time to recharge one of your temporal techniques—by revising your past so you never used it in the first place. Select one of your chronoskimmer feats that has a frequency of once per day (or more frequent) that you've already used. You can use the feat again, as if you hadn't used it already."

My question is... is this supposed to have a limited number of uses? (AKA: are you only supposed to be able to reuse an ability say, one extra time per day?). Obviously from a flavor standpoint it makes sense to not have a limit (as you are undoing uses you've previously done) but functionally it makes every single Chronoskimmer feat infinite use (as all of the abilities are 1/day or more frequent).

Can someone confirm if this is indeed correct as written? Because "if something seems too good to be true, it probably is" definitely seems to apply in this instance.

Aaron Shanks wrote:
We are releasing July products on Wednesday, July 29 and not holding them for Gen Con, the first weekend of August.

I assume you will have plenty of these for sale AT GenCon though? Nothing better than being able to purchase a book and read it immediately :D

BigNorseWolf wrote:

With that said, this is not going to be a very efficient healer. Out of combat medicine doesn't do much compared to a six pack of potions, and in combat you don't have a whole lot of big heals.

It'll take a little bit to come online, but between Bedside Manner improvisation, Miracle Worker expertise talent, the Medic Archetype, and the Medical Expert feat, I'll be able to heal 5d8+18+INT+(2*CHA) as a Full Round Action "Treat Deadly Wounds" by lvl 9.

Throw in First Aid Expert theorem from Biohacker for double INT, and by Level 20 my Treat Deadly Wounds will be 20d8+40+(2*INT)+(2*CHA).

Thanks to the Medic Archetype, any over-healing will go to Stamina points. past level 3.

Throw in Field Dressing theorem, and being able to fire Serums of Healing (both of which also benefit from the Medic over-healing feature) and I think the build is pretty effective, considering most of the time I'll be attacking the enemy with Biohacks anyways.

Additionally, from the Envoy side of things I'll also be taking Inspiring Boost and Inspiring Oration improvisations, giving me Stamina heals to throw out in addition to the options for HP heals.

I am currently building a character whose purpose is to be a healer. I understand that there are a variety of debates about which class is good at what sort of healing and so on; but I have decided to play as a Biohacker multiclassing into Envoy. With the introduction of the Signature Item alternate class feature from Tech Revolution, this seems like an incredible way to get the best of both worlds. However, if I have learned anything from Paizo games over the past decade or so, it's that "if something seems too good to be true, it usually is (but we wont errata it)". So to that end, I have several questions about abilities, how they interact, what they count as, and how they scale.

For reference, the Signature Item ability (at least the part that matters to my character) says the following:

"Your signature item is a handheld device with a specific non-combat purpose, such as a hacking kit or datapad. Your first skill expertise must be selected from the following list: Computers, Engineering, or Medicine... If you choose Medicine, your signature tool also functions as a 1st-level biohacker’s custom microlab (Character Operations Manual 41), though if you have a custom microlab from another class, add your envoy levels and the other class’s levels together for determining its abilities. You can select biohacker theorems as though they were expertise talents, qualifying for theorems using the sum of your envoy and biohacker levels as your biohacker level. However, this doesn’t grant you any other biohacker abilities, and you can’t select theorems that require another biohacker ability unless you’ve gained that required ability from another source."

Ok cool, I get a 1st level Biohackers custom microlab. And if I already have one, my levels stack for determining its abilities.

So heres the first question, just to clarify:
If I start with Biohacker at 1st level, and then multiclass into Envoy at 2nd level, my custom microlab counts as a 2nd level microlab (no changes yet obviously)... Is this correct? So at character level 5 (Biohacker 1/Envoy 4) I would have a 5th level custom microlab, which upgrades it to an Advanced Medkit?

Now, as a 1st level Biohacker, I have Biohacks. The very first words of the Biohacks description are " As part of your custom microlab..."

So here's my second question:
Assuming I only ever take that first level in Biohacker, do my Biohacks scale with my Envoy levels, as they are "part of the custom microlab", and Signature Item says the levels stack "for determining its abilities"? Specifically the Basic Inhibtor says it increases in effectiveness at level 9 and level 17. So at Biohacker 1/Envoy 8, and Biohacker 1/Envoy16 would these increase?
I understand that Signature Item says "you dont gain any other biohacker abilities" so obviously I dont get things like Field of Study, Spark of Ingenuity, Injection Expert, etc... but the Biohacks specifically say they are part of the microlab, AND I gained the microlab prior to the Envoy levels, therefore qualifying me for the level stacking portion of Signature Item, so herein lies the confusion on that PARTICULAR feature.

Now, for the final bit.
As part of the Signature Item ability it says that I can take theorems as thought they were expertise talents, using my combined levels as my biohacker level. This is particularly cool, as it allows me to get some of the things I wanted from Biohacker while still keeping my Envoy levels high for things that scale off my Envoy level (like improvisations).

In particular, one theorem that I was looking at was Field Dressing.
Field Dressing only requires 2nd lvl Biohacker, therefore by the time I get to level 3 Envoy and take my first expertise talent, I definitely qualify for it.

Heres the question though:
Field Dressing says it scales at levels 4 and 8. If I am a Biohacker 1/Envoy 3 when I first choose Field Dressing, does it scale up to the level 4 version of the ability? I count as a level 4 Biohacker when I take the ability, so I would think so, but as with everything else in this post, Im double and triple checking.

Thank you all in advance for your assistance with this.

TLDR: If I play a Biohacker 1/Envoy 3 with Signature Item (Medicine), does my custom microlab scale to level 4? Does it become an Advanced Medkit at character level 5? Do my Biohacks scale based on total levels between the two classes, as they are "part of the custom microlab"? Do the theorems I can take as Envoy expertise talents scale based on total levels between the two classes?

I see that this starts at lvl 8, what level does it end at?

breithauptclan wrote:
Hikuen wrote:
After further research, thare are apparently dozens of changes that are NOT listed in the Errata... Why?
Are you looking for 1st edition errata? or PF2 errata?

Pathfinder 2e errata. Seems that things like Animal Skin changing from a status bonus to an item bonus... or Quick Alchemy no longer needing a free hand... aren't listed in the official errata page, but are absolutely a change that has happened since the first printing through until now.

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After further research, thare are apparently dozens of changes that are NOT listed in the Errata... Why?

I have a 1st copy of the CRB, and as such rely on the Errata's to inform me of rule updates and changes. I distinctly remember there being a massive change to the way certain item bonuses and status bonuses interact (specifically the Barbarian class feat Animal Skin got completely changed so that it not longer interacted with some new alchemist items). However, I just went to look for that exact rule change, and I can't find it in the Errata on the site anywhere?

Where did the rules changes go? Is there some other location to find them besides ?

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Crimson Throne was the first Pathfinder AP I ever played through... Can't wait to see what they've done to my precious city :D

Garretmander wrote:
Judging by soldier secondary fighting styles - you use knacks as if the array was of a lower level. If you're swarm striking, you'd want sheathe to be your primary.

I had the same thought, but... basing the assumption off the soldier fighting styles is still a problem because Soldiers cant randomly decide to switch which fighting style is primary and which is secondary.

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How does Manifold Array interact with Nanocyte Knacks? Do the Knacks associated with certain arrays get reduced in effectiveness based on those arrays active array levels?

For example: If I am a level 7 Nanocyte and I create a Cloud Array as my primary array, and a Sheath Array as my secondary array, does that reduce the damage and effects of my Swarm Strike knack, since it is used off of a sheath array?

Or does Manifold Array ONLY AFFECT the base effects of the Arrays (# of clouds for Cloud, amount of insight bonus for Sheath, and amount of items I can create with Gear?

Option #2 seems too good to be true, but I'm really hoping maybe Swarm Strike doesn't lock you in to Sheath as your only primary array option.

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I absolutely adore this new class. Everything about it seems incredibly fun, and the flavor of many of its abilities flows right into what I would expect. But I feel like it could have something more. ​

One of the developers (I think Mark Seifter) wrote the following about the Thaumaturge: "A thaumaturge is based on the idea that it's not just that you might know things. You are connected to things and you can manipulate those connections and create them. Part of it is like convincing the universe that this is a thing, akin to the idea of magic maybe plowing the field for future casting from SoM treatises on the nature of magic. Is this broken chain from a freed slave a good connection to damage this tyrannical king? Well he doesn't have any weaknesses normally, but you're pushing the universe to create a new bespoke weakness just for you.
You can use Cha for a special in battle Recall Knowledge to suss out existing weaknesses or make a new one. Even if you fail, you can spend another Interact action to just pull out tons of different possibilities and try them until something works. So a success is not necessary to do your thing."

I also am a huge fan of the Kingkiller Chronicles, and everything about making connections between two seemingly unrelated things reminds me of the magic found within those books. Some of my favorite parts are when Kvothe uses the properties of one object to apply new properties to something else.

So my question is this... why limit those connections to simply damage? What about our fabulous list of Conditions?

I would love to see a Thaumaturge who carries around weights with him and makes connections to enemies in order to Slow them.
Give me a Thaumaturge who uses rabbit's feet to Haste his allies.
Needles and a jar of eyeballs to Blind your enemies.
A bit of chain/manacles to Immobilize

Now, I understand that this starts stepping on the toes of several other classes, namely Rogues and their fabulous Debilitating Strikes feature.
So here is what I propose:

Add Conditions as an additional alternative option to damage as part of Esoteric Antithesis. Then, the Thaumaturge can choose to either do extra damage, or provide crowd control and status effects. Then, Rogues still get their time in the sun (getting both bonus damage AND status effects on sneak attacks), and the Thaumaturge has options to choose from while in combat. You could even allow the Thaumaturge to make multiple connections to a single target, and do both damage and a condition at the cost of multiple actions.

Imagine being able to wrap a chain around your bow and Immobilize someone because you've convinced the universe that they are now bound to the chain... and not because you critically hit them, but because you put in the work (aka spent actions) to form connections and now can ruin their day.

Poit wrote:
HammerJack wrote:
Kreighton's Cognitive Crossover would also be a pretty big deal to this, for characters that have Access to it.
A thaumaturge unfortunately cannot use Kreighton's Cognitive Crossover. That feat can only be used when you gain no information from a Recall Knowledge check, which only happens when you non-critically fail. A thaumaturge gets Dubious Knowledge at level 1, and Dubious Knowledge is not an optional thing. If you have it, you gain information when you non-critically fail, so you never qualify for the trigger of Kreighton's Cognitive Crossover.

THAT... is a very weird fringe case lol. By being better at knowledge rolls, he can't take an ability that makes him better at knowledge rolls. I wonder if Paizo has discovered and/or addressed this issue, as Dubious Knowledge is an easy enough common skill feat to acquire from Backgrounds, and with the addition of adding it to your character automatically now precludes you from picking and using certain things.

I 100% agree with the call to add Dubious Knowledge to the Thaumaturge class, it's the interaction with Kreighton's (which is a much newer feat and thus things from the CRB can't possibly account for every future possibility) that is the real problem. Perhaps Kreighton's could be erratta'd to say that it triggers on a failed knowledge check, and not just on a check that results in no information.

The Raven Black wrote:

I did a very similar know-it-all Investigator build several months ago. Seems that most everything is there.

Note that if you get Loremaster Etude, either with Bard MC Dedication or Loremaster Dedication, your RK gets even better when it really matters.

The main problem is that, before lvl 10, the build is not that reliable because of the rule that failed RK means no more attempts. And after lvl 10, you will critically RK a lot, which is pretty unbalanced IMO.

But the problem lies with RK. The Thaumaturge's reliance on RK only exacerbates it.

BTW Forensic Acumen should help get great value from Thorough Reports.

Loremaster's Etude absolutely would assist this build, as would a few other ancestry specific option's I've seen people mention (Nanite Surge and Consistent Surge from Android ancestry, and Halfling Luck and Incredible Luck from Halfling ancestry).

As for Forensic Acumen, I don't believe it would work in conjunction with Find Flaws and so I left it out of the build.
Forensic Acumen says you have to perform a forensic examination on a body, as described under Recall Knowledge in the Medicine skill. If you succeed, you can attempt an immediate check to Recall Knowledge.
Neither the initial forensic exam, nor the follow up RK are part of Find Flaws, they are simply RK checks on their own.
Now, while having a character who is amazing at RK is absolutely the end result on this build, the goal was to find as many RK bonuses that could fit into a single action. Otherwise, I would have also included things like Recognize Threat from Pathfinder Agent, or True Hypercognition from several different sources. These sorts of feats could ABSOLUTELY be added to the build to achieve a god among others at RK, but they dont apply to the same actions.

HammerJack wrote:
Kreighton's Cognitive Crossover would also be a pretty big deal to this, for characters that have Access to it.

That's very true! Though you would absolutely want to make sure that one of the Knowledges you choose for that feat matches with whatever Knowledge you choose for Bestiary Scholar. (Not a big deal, just something to make sure you dont just randomly choose while picking feats).

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Several users over on the PF2E reddit pointed out that the Lantern implement from the base class would add another +1 status bonus to the Recall Knowledge roll, further boosting your chances of a crit.

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One of the biggest features of the Thaumaturge that stands out to me immediately is how focused this class is on identifying creatures, their weaknesses, and applying those weaknesses. This got me thinking about how to optimize on this, and holy cow did I find some fun stuff... So come with me on a magical journey through a combination of class and archetype feats that will leave you saying goodbye to Ranger Rick, and hello to Geralt of Rivia.

First, I will preface this concept by saying that obviously this build and idea works better with using Free Archetype (especially if your DM allows your Free Archetype to chain into a second archetype), freeing up your class feats for Thaumaturge options... but as you'll see in my feat list at the end, it's not that bad even just using CRB rules.

First lets start with the lvl 1 class ability "Find Flaws". This says that you RECALL KNOWLEDGE, using Charisma instead of whatever usual ability score; AND that you gain the additional effects of the ability AS WELL AS the "usual effects of Recall Knowledge". This tells me a few different things about the ability; but it all really boils down to one thought...

This thing stacks better than a Lego master builder.
Anything that applies to your rolls for "Recall Knowledge" as well as anything that applies to the effects on a successful "Recall Knowledge" ALL APPLY to the "Find Flaws" action.

If you succeed, or get a crit success, on "Find Flaws" you can then proceed to use Esoteric Antithesis as a free action. Esoteric Antithesis allows you to either cause your weapon attacks to deal a type of damage that matches the creatures weakness (if the creature has a weakness, and that weakness is equal or higher than 2 + 1/2 your level) OR it allows you to cause your weapon attacks to deal damage that the creature BECOMES weak to, with a weakness equal to 2 + 1/2 your level (this weakness only applies to attacks from you).

If you DONT get a success, or crit success, this ability costs an action to use
So obviously, using the "Find Flaws" ability, the goal (like all things in this game) is to get a Critical Success. So how do we do that? By adding as many additional bonuses to our possible knowledge scores as we can. Stacking bonuses in this system are few and far between, by design, but there are a few fabulous options hidden among some odd places.

Allow me to introduce, the Pathfinder Agent archetype, and it's older brother, the Scrollmaster Archetype. They are your new best friends.

The first thing you need to know is this: The Scrollmaster archetype falls under a category of very select archetypes that are allowed to be taken in conjunction with other archetypes, without having met a specific number of archetype feats first. In this case specifically, you can take Scrollmaster at the same time as Pathfinder Agent. What this means in layman's terms is that you could technically take the Pathfinder Agent Dedication, and then next class feat / free archetype feat IMMEDIATELY take Scrollmaster Dedication (assuming you met its other requirements).

Let's start with Pathfinder Agent.
Now, the Dedication itself is nothing to write home about, what we are really here for is two feats. One is a skill feat called Thorough Reports. The other is an archetype feat called Discerning Strike.

Thorough Reports allows you to "keep track of each type of creature you successfully identify with Recall Knowledge". When you attempt to Recall Knowledge against a creature you have previously identified, you gain a +2 circumstance bonus to the roll, and learn an additional fact about such creatures on a success.
So why is this helpful? Well, by default, "Find Flaws" only applies to the creature you used it on, and you can only have it applied to one creature at a time... so even if there are 12 of the exact same creature fighting your party, you are going to have to re-apply Find Flaws against each creature as you go. Since you are spending an action on each creature applying Find Flaws, you obviously want to get that success/crit to allow for the free action bonus damage, so what better way to attempt to get that than getting a bonus on Recall Knowledge rolls to creatures you've already "Recall Knowledge"ed?

But it gets better... Discerning Strike is a Single Action attack that you can make against a target you have successfully identified with Recall Knowledge during this combat. Remember, "Find Flaws" counts as Recall Knowledge.
If you hit with Discerning Strike, you deal an extra 1d6 precision damage. In addition, if you have succeeded on a Recall Knowledge check against the target during this combat and their creature type was previously recorded using Thorough Reports, you also deal 1 point of persistent bleed damage. The creature is then temporarily immune to Discerning Strike for 1 day.
Now, because you've succeeded at identifying the creature (you DID succeed, didn't you?) you now are able to identify its weaknesses, apply bonus damage for a free action, and then with your follow-up action make a Strike that deals additional damage on top, as well as a Bleed effect.

And folks, the fun doesn't BEGIN to stop there.

Moving along to the Scrollmaster Dedication.
You gain some fun thematic abilities, allowing you to remember various facts for extended periods of time and so on... and then one little sentence is thrown in at the end.
"If you have the Thorough Reports feat and have expert proficiency in the skill you’re using to Recall Knowledge, your circumstance bonus to Recall Knowledge about creatures from that feat increases to +4."
AMAZING. So now, our bonus to identifying creatures we've already identified goes up to +4. Crits are looking easier by the minute.

But wait, there's more! Within the Scrollmaster archetype lies another feat, just begging to be thrown on the pile... Bestiary Scholar.
Requiring only Level 10, and a Master proficiency in ONE Knowledge skill (Arcana, Crafting, Nature, Occultism, or Religion) you can get this feat that adds the following:
"When you gain this feat, choose one of the following skills in which you have attained master proficiency: Arcana, Crafting, Nature, Occultism, or Religion. You can use the chosen skill to Recall Knowledge to identify any creature normally identifiable by any of the above skills. In addition, when you critically succeed at identifying a creature, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your next attack roll or saving throw against that creature."

That's right... all those Recall Knowledge's you've been doing (using your CHA score no less!) now can be done using a SINGLE KNOWLEDGE SKILL.
And then, just for fun, when you critically succeed, you get an extra bonus against that creature (either on an attack roll, or a saving throw).

Now here's what particularly interesting about all of these feats (especially that last one)... Every single one of them gives a CIRCUMSTANCE BONUS on things they boost.

This is important looking back at the goal of this post: Stacking Bonuses.
Bonuses of the same type don't stack, you simply use the highest bonus. However, bonuses of different types DO stack.

Now, let's take a look at a lvl 2 feat for the Thaumaturge himself (thats right, we haven't even taken anything from the core class yet, and we are already making the Outwit Monster Hunter Rangers and Lore Bards look like elementary school children).

Esoteric Warden
Level 2 class feat, Thaumaturge
When you Find Flaws and succeed at your Recall Knowledge check, in addition to the normal effects, you gain a +1 status bonus to your AC against the creature’s next attack and a +1 status bonus to your next saving throw against the creature. These bonuses increase to +2 on a critical success. You can gain these bonuses only once per day against a particular creature.

Hmmm... that's interesting. At first glance this appears to be a very similar feat as Bestiary Scholar, until you look at the bonus type. That's right, the Esoteric Warden feat gives a STATUS bonus, whereas Bestiary Scholar gives a CIRCUMSTANCE bonus... stacks on stacks on stacks.

So, let's recap.

By taking the following feats:
Pathfinder Agent Dedication (archetype feat)
Thorough Reports (archetype skill feat)
Discerning Strike (archetype feat)
Scrollmaster Dedication (archetype feat)
Bestiary Scholar (archetype feat)
Esoteric Warden (class feat)

You gain the following chain reaction:
* Use the "Find Flaws" ability on an enemy you have identified previously, this counts as the Recall Knowledge action.
* You gain a +4 circumstance bonus to the Recall Knowledge roll.
* This Recall Knowledge roll can be made with your CHA stat, using whatever Knowledge skill you have at Master (whichever you chose for Bestiary Scholar)
* On a success you gain a +1 status bonus to AC against that creatures next attack, a +1 status bonus to your next saving throw against that creature, and a free action application of your Esoteric Antithesis.
* On a crit success, boost the success bonuses by +1 (to +2 total), AND you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your next attack or saving throw against that creature (the save bonuses stack for a total +3).
*Lastly, on your next action, use Discerning Strike (works with either melee or ranged) to deal an extra 1d6 precision damage, and 1 persistent bleed, ON TOP of the extra weakness damage you will be dealing from Esoteric Antithesis

And after all that... you still have a whole other action left in your turn.

Obviously, this build concept (if you can call it that) relies heavily on taking archetype feats. BUT, if your character goal is to be the Murder Pokedex for monsters, it's actually not too bad all things considered, leaving the latter half of your character build completely open for high level class feats and other shenanigans.

Lvl 1: whatever feat you want
Lvl 2: Esoteric Warden
Lvl 4: Pathfinder Agent Dedication
Lvl 4 skill feat: Thorough Reports
Lvl 6: Scrollmaster Dedication
Lvl 8: Discerning Strike
Lvl 10: Bestiary Scholar

Lemme know what you guys think :D

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I think your point about "you should be at range" is exactly the point behind this design choice. The emotion based effect can hit you anywhere, and given that fear effects are quite common, will effect you a lot more. So the CHA based downside is lessened as a result of the increased frequency. Assuming you are staying at range, away from anything that has Attack of Opportunity, it is entirely possible to avoid the INT downside entirely for any fight regardless of type of creature.

Of note, it also feels like the flavor matches the mechanics... Int based Psychics SHOULD be away from combat, because they are thinking tactically. CHA based Psychics might not be thinking tactically because they are ruled by their emotions.

Laclale♪ wrote:
Playtest document wrote:

For the playtest, we’re focusing on five implements, but

the final class will have a total of nine, thrice three.

So exactly four is hidden in playtest.

The five implements are Amulet, Chalice, Lantern, Wand, and Weapon

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Pathfinder Society book... now a Lastwall book... this has interesting connotations for future faction books... Hellknights? Firebrands? Red Mantis Assassins? BRING IT ON!

I want to preface this post by saying that I have been running 2e since the day it released, and have had the same group of players since then, so we all have a very good understanding of the system and how the difficulty of things can play out. This is also going to be a sort of one-off side story adventure to the main campaign, and they will not be playing their main characters, so if every goes absolutely off the rails horribly and ends in a TPK, it's not the end of the world. We also have been a gaming group for a long time, so the trust in me as a DM to not absolute screw them over for no reason is pretty high, so I want to make sure I get this right. Now with all that said...

I have a party of 6 players and I want to throw them up against a creature that is mechanically 5 levels higher than their current level. I am unsure on the math on this, and want to try and get down to Extreme difficulty, and not beyond.

The party will be level 16, the creature is level 21 (ancient dragon with the lich template, since draco-liches don't have their own stat blocks yet).
Now, I know that an Extreme difficulty encounter is 160 XP, +40 for each PC above 4; so my total budget is 240 XP. What I don't know is how that works out mathmatically, vs the XP of a creature that high of level.

The best I can figure out, there is a sort of pattern to the XP system... the lowest XP creature is Party-4 which gives 10 XP, then party-3 is 5 higher, party -2 is 5 higher, and party-1 is 10 higher... every 2 levels higher than that the xp amount doubles (exponentially? Im not great at remembering math terminology) So the difference between party +1 and party +2 is 20, but the difference between party +2 and party +3 is 40... ultimately going 5,5,10,10,20,20,40,40

So if that pattern holds, Party+5 XP budget SHOULD be Party+4 XP, plus an additional 80, which comes out to 240 XP, which is exactly the amount I need it to be.

Does my math make sense? Should I STILL not run the fight even if it checks out?

The Mechanic trick "Exploration Routine" from Galaxy Exploration Manual says "Add the following to the list of feats your drone can select: Ambush Awareness, Climbing Master, Echolocation Attack, Environmental Adaptation, Memory Access, and Swimming Master."

However, the Environmental Adaptation feat has a requirement of Con 13 AND the amount of environmental conditions you get to choose is based on your Consitution modifier.

Drones dont have a Con score, and "Any DCs or other statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a drone as having a Constitution score of 10 (no bonus or penalty)."

So does this feat do nothing?

Has there been any confirmation on how many clans there are in the Mwangi Expanse? Or is it sort of a "theres as many as your table needs, and they can be names whatever animal you want" thing?

David knott 242 wrote:
Laclale♪ wrote:
I heard Grippli's ability modifier has Errata in hype thread.

The problem is in the physical book. The PDF is correct.

What is the errata'd change? (An ability score change is a big deal, and I only have the physical book, so I wanna make sure I have the correct info)

Question for the hivemind: How well known is the city of Promise? Everything I read about Mengkare says that he's been working on the city for almost 200 years now. During that time, he sent out the Scarlet Triad (when they still were doing their original purpose) to recruit people to his utopia of concerningly specific perfection.

I'm getting ready to run Book 4 of the AP, and one of the PCs has the background Dragon Scholar from the players guide. Even moreso, the character is a completely obsessed "dragon nerd" who has gone down the path of Dragon Disciple. Would a character like this, with a Master proficiency in Arcana, as well as Expert in Society, know about Promise, given that it is essentially a small country run by an Ancient Gold Dragon? It seems like it is a unique situation, in that nowhere else is there any sort of draconic leadership so openly displayed on Golarion, and a dragon nerd would probably be extremely fascinated by its existence (even hope to go there someday given that they only take "the best").

And doubling down on it, would they know that Mengkare was responsible for The Rending of Droskar's Crag? Or is this second piece of information a more well kept secret (seeing as its entirely possible that very few people, Mengkare included, survived the explosion and consecutive eruption)?

I want to start sprinkling hints about Promise, and Mengkare, NOW in Book 4, so that by the time we get to Book 6, he's not some random character that has never once been mentioned ever, and is suddenly supposed to be the most important thing to the story (which is how the AP is canonically written). I'm thinking maybe the PC's find a flyer when they return to Breachill from Kintargo, advertising a "better tommorow". It doesn't lead to anything currently, but I want to know if I should have them make knowledge rolls, or if Promise is just something everybody has heard of... "you know, the big fancy city run by the Dragon?"

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Erik Mona mentioned this morning (for anyone who missed it) on Cannon Fodder (Glass Cannon's "behind the scenes" podcast) that this was "on-track and on schedule to be released this November"

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I want to preface this by saying two things.
1: This is my first time running a pre-written AP (I've always just run homebrew setting/campaigns)
2: My PLAYERS want to continue the story, they are simply having trouble finding reasons for their CHARACTERS to be interested. Our group has a blast playing together, it honestly might just be the writing of this AP.... This all may come off as a lot of complaining, but as a GM I am genuinely frustrated and stymied for a way to continue the story as written without significant changes.


So, I'm currently running Age of Ashes, and we just finished Book 3 and nobody seems to understand WHY they need to continue. More specifically, they believe that as long as they hold several of the portal Keys (currently they have the arrowhead, Eclipse, and now the Eye of the Wise) that the Scarlet Triad can't do whatever it is they have planned for the portal.

The problem is, obviously I as the GM know that there is ALOT going on behind the scenes. The dwarf 2nd in command in Book 4 is causing problems in Five Kings Mountains, Uri Zandivar is being a baddy over in Katapesh, and ultimately their schemes will bring them close to their ultimate goal of completing the Orb of Gold Dragonkind and controlling Mengkare, and then Mengkare has his own plans... And absolutely NONE OF THIS INFORMATION comes to light for the players until really late Book 5, or even Book 6.

Am I missing something? The characters all receive individual character drives from their AP specific backgrounds... and those gave almost NO reason to even go into book 2, let alone an interest in stopping the Scarlet Triad beyond "we're the heroes".

Or are the PCs really expected to be interested in being proactive with stopping the activities of the Scarlet Triad, despite having absolutely no idea what they are actually up to? Its like a world spanning game of whack-a-mole... Ive read over the first 3 books several times now, and it honestly seems like the only info the players know is:

Book 1: Voz is being funded by some organization called the Scarlet Triad to look into Alseta's Ring. Cultists show up through the portal, and a spider-lady gets cut off from her home. (If it wasn't for the spider-lady, my PCs wouldnt have even had a reason to investigate the portal into Book 2, they would have sealed off the basement and went about their lives)

Book 2: The PCs go through the portal "for reasons" and are immediately conscripted into a war between the Ekujae elves and the Cinderclaw cultists. They find out that the cultists are mining gold for the Scarlet Triad. When they ask about why they are mining the gold, THE AP LITERALLY TELLS YOU that the cultist leader responds with "Do you not like gold? Everybody likes gold!" and says that they genuinely have no idea, and dont care, why they are mining the gold beyond doing it in exchange for services from the Scarlet Triad.

Book 3: Laslunn sends several agents to check in on Voz, those agents take it upon themselves to capture a villager (I had them capture Pid and Zarf instead of the woodworker guy, because my PCs couldnt care less about some random NPC who's only purpose is to repair the citadel... again, having to change the narrative to engage the characters). As PCs they took this attack personally, so thankfully that drove them through Dreamgate and into Book 3. When they get there... oh no pirates/slavers, and the longest chain of combats Ive ever seen in a book... They rescue the town and head to Kintargo to look into the warehouse they learned about, setting off the rest of the book... again another game of whack-a-mole. The tower on campus has no purpose to the story, the Triad could just take people offsight like theyve done all the other prisoners in the quarrey... The Bellflower Network does essentially nothing... the Rahkshasa's summoning fake ghosts only makes sense to any players that have played through previous 1e APs... Finally, they track down Laslunn in the quarrey, defeat all the enemies there (including the Lich who has no bearing on the story and literally just happens to be there with the Scarlet Triad, in a "you stay away from me Ill stay away from you" stalemate)... and they find the letter saying that the newly found key, Eye of the Wise, leads to a place in the Five Kings Mountains where they Scarlet Triad once again already is, and again, No reason why available to the players.

So... going into Book 4, obviously I know that the Dwarf lady is trying to broker a deal with the Magma Dragon in the area, mostly the get access to the Shard of the Orb of Gold Dragonkind it has in its possession, but also to bolster her own position and power. But before you even get to Chapter 1 of the Book, there is a sidebar that says "Veshumirix has already agreed to part with the shard in exchange for Kovlar, and Illssrah has sent the shard on to Katapesh—but the PCs shouldn’t learn about this until the next adventure." So even if they find a reason to combat the Scarlet Triad AGAIN without reason beyond "we're the heroes", they still wont find out WHY anything is happening.

Is this normal? Are PCs honestly expected to go through FIVE BOOKS before finding out the main plot of an AP? I haven't even covered the Mengkare plot line... Starting the Scarlet Triad himself, planning to sacrifice an entire city... aren't these things my players should know?

Please hive-mind... I need your help...

Any word on if this has shipped yet? Link says the PDF should be available less than a week from now, so I figured it would have gone out already but I havent seen any tracking emails

So by default, the Conduct Energy action from a Resonant weapon says it gives "1 additional damage per weapon damage die"

Conducting rune says "the weapon deals an additional 1d8 damage of the selected type instead of 1 additional damage per die; if the weapon already had the resonant weapon trait, it deals 1d8 damage plus 1 damage per die instead."

My question is, on a Conducting Rune weapon, does the 1d8 replace "1 damage per damage die", or does it replace "1" damage per damage die? i.e. does a Striking Conducting weapon deal 2d8 elemental damage?

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NielsenE wrote:
Yeah, its an item I wish they would errata since I don't really know whats intended. I typically just buy it for my crafters for the item bonus... and just ignore the repair bonus for now.

Yeah, I usually do the same. But unfortunately, the Inventor class now exists with it's construct companion that has to be Repaired rather than healed... so having a bonus to Repair amounts is suddenly a far more pressing need in my life.

Alright hivemind... I need your help with something. This magic item makes no sense, and best I can find, Paizo hasn't responded on how it works. So I come to you as a desperate Crafter looking for an answer.

" This rugged metal eyepiece etched with square patterns is designed to be worn over a single eye. Twisting the lens reveals a faint three-dimensional outline of an item you plan to build or repair, with helpful labels on the component parts. While worn, this eyepiece gives you a +1 item bonus to Crafting checks. When you Repair an item, increase the Hit Points restored by 15 per proficiency rank instead of 10. "

Now this is confusing because this is the wording for the Repair action:

CRIT SUCCESS: You restore 10 Hit Points to the item, plus an additional 10 Hit Points per proficiency rank you have in Crafting (a total of 20 HP if you’re trained, 30 HP if you’re an expert, 40 HP if you’re a master, or 50 HP if you’re legendary).

SUCCESS: You restore 5 Hit Points to the item, plus an additional 5 per proficiency rank you have in Crafting (for a total of 10 HP if you are trained, 15 HP if you’re an expert, 20 HP if you’re a master, or 25 HP if you’re legendary).

It appears that the "10 HP per rank" restored mentioned in Crafter's Eyepiece only applys to a Crit Success (and regular success only gives an extra 5 HP per rank)

So does this item not do anything for a basic Success? Or does it increase ALL successes by 5 per rank? Making Crit Success 10 + 15 per rank, and Success 5 + 10 per rank?

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Grankless wrote:

Luis confirmed that Ganzi and Aphorite are versatile heritages, and that the unrevealed slots are one versatile heritage and one ancestry!

...and that he's working on one of the unrevealed ones, so theorize away.

He also confirmed that Kitsune are +Cha +Free, no flaws ability score bonuses; At-Will Shape Change being part of their base ancestry (no feats or heritages required), and one of the heritages allows for Shape Change to also turn you into an actual fox.

Gaulin wrote:
Maybe a feat that increases the amount repaired?

The Crafter's Eyepiece item would increase amount repaired by an additional amount (still unsure exactly how much since the item reads weird when referenced against the repair skill), and Torag's Silver Anvil would add an extra 10 on top of that.

I assume given the new book is heavily crafting/tech based that there will be a plethora of new items specifically intended for repairing items, and probably even some specifically for fixing constructs (given the Automaton ancestry). Odds are, there will be an insane amount of new Crafting focused skill feats as well.

Obviously, the viability of a class should never have to hinge on its equipment, but there are at least a few options already in the game to give us a starting point.

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Luis Loza wrote:

Finally, just because I like fanning fires, two of the unrevealed entries have the means to gain a fly speed. :)

Will this fly speed be all the time and available at a decent level?

Or will it be like Aasimar/Tiefling and only be available at lvl 17?

Preorder date got removed... Did this get delayed/canceled?

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After reading several of the comments here I realized, in 1e they introduced a new feat with the Gunslinger class specifically to solve this problem... Gunsmithing.

Why not do that now? Create a new skill feat, which requires trained in Crafting (which Gunslingers have at 1st level), that gives access to crafting Guns and Gun Ammunition.

You can still have ammo be crafted off of Alchemical Crafting as well, simply have it work like how Herbalists can only craft alchemical items with the healing trait, plus antidote and antiplague... Gunsmithing covers Gun Ammo as a smaller subset of Alchemical Crafting feat.

Then simply give Gunslingers the Gunsmithing feat for free (just like in 1e). This would then allow other characters who may wish to craft guns and ammo (Rangers, Im looking at you) to pick up the feat themselves, without the strange "I also can make bombs I guess?" part of it.

There is precedent for this, given that Investigator's brought with them new skill feats (so much so that they were shown in the APG playtest), as well as the aforementioned Herbalists gaining Alchemical Crafting from "basic alchemy benefits" but it only applying to certain items.

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Something that has always been a staple of Pathfinder (both editions) is feats. Feats allow you to do things you wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't be able to do otherwise. As such, I've always been under the impression that if there is a feat for something, and you don't have that feat, you can't do that thing. Otherwise, go nuts and do whatever the hell your DM lets you get away with.

So with that said, why is there a feat for shooting things to make them explode? Doesn't that now, by its very existence, preclude (for example) an archer with a flaming arrow from making a "barrel of expensive rum" explode?

I understand that perhaps the main point of it is that it gives specific mechanics for what happens when the PC does that (As opposed to the DM having to make it up on the fly). But there's just something about this feat that seems counter to the freedom of character action choice that ttrpgs are known for.

Maybe its just me * shrug *

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It says that in order for a Gunslinger (or anyone really) to craft ammo for guns, its requires the Alchemical Crafting skill feat. Now naturally, given that the Alchemist (and now the Inventor), has the skill feat required to craft the necessary items for their class, I assumed that Gunslingers would receive Alchemical Crafting for free at level 1. And yet, there is nothing to be found. To make matters worse, there is even a FEAT for combining Alchemical Bombs and ammunition (Alchemical Shot, lvl 4), but the class does not support this.

Is this an oversight, or are Gunslingers really intended to use up one of their precious skill feats on something required for their class? Considering the gun ammunition is an Uncommon item as well, it's not like they could just NOT take the feat and expect to be able to restock on ammo in any town they come to (like every other character can with arrows).

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Kasoh wrote:
... Weaponized Gambling Rogue/Swashbuckler feats were really fun...

You have my attention... might this be a Gambit-style combat feat? Throwing cards as weapons? Dice as caltrops?

Does anyone happen to have made a map of Voz Lirayne's bookshop?

My parties Wizard purchased the shop at the end of Book 2 with a portion of their profits "since nobody was using those books anyways", and put Pid and Zarf in charge of the shop (and nothing bad will ever happen to them Im sure...)

Im thinking of changing the encounter that starts off Book 3 to be the bad guys capturing the kobolds rather than the wagon-smith, but obviously in doing so I need a map that isnt a wagon shop. Thanks in advance for your assistance :D

Any word on when this might start shipping out? Based on the release date being the end of the month, I assumed it would have started shipping already but I haven't seen any emails/notifications...

Is there any clarification that can be provided on what level the Fey Influence feat allows the spells to be cast at (given that half of them can be heightened)? My initial assumption was only 1st level, but given that it is an ancestry feat that seems incredibly underpowered.

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Is there any clarification that can be provided on what level the Fey Influence feat allows the spells to be cast at (given that half of them can be heightened)?

Zen Archer monks "can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons."

The Empty Quiver Flexibility feat states "While using Empty Quiver Style, you can apply any feats and class abilities you possess that modify your ranged attack rolls and damage rolls with the chosen weapon to melee attack rolls and damage rolls made with that weapon."

Would this feat allow a Zen Archer to flurry of blows in melee using the bow as a melee weapon?
My logic behind this question is as follows:
1: The Zen Archer ability states that you can only flurry of blows with a Bow, which is what we are TECHNICALLY doing
2: The Zen Archer flurry of blows does not state that the flurry with the bow has to be ranged attacks
3: Flurry of Blows is a class ability, thus qualifying for the portion of Empty Quiver Flexibility that mentions feats and class abilities
4: In a follow up to #3, Empty Quiver Flexibility requires Stabbing Shot, which requires Rapid Shot. Rapid shot is a feat that adds additional attacks (same exact mechanic as flurry of blows, prior to ki points), and Stabbing Shot specifically mentions that the melee attack replaces the extra attack from Rapid Shot, so the precedent for flurry of blows to count as a "class ability that modifies your attack rolls and damage rolls" as stated in Empty Quiver Flexibility is already there.

So, what do you all think? Would this work? Can a Zen Archer be made into a flurrying switch hitter via these feats?

EDIT: It has come to my attention that the first feat in the chain (Empty Quiver Style) states that the melee attacks are "as if you are attacking with a Heavy Mace", which monks are not proficient in. Will this be a problem (- to attack/dmg?) or is that description only for purposes of knowing how much damage it deals, allowing the melee attacks to count as proficient based on bow use (seeing as requiring proficiency in multiple weapon types seems odd considering the point of the Style)

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