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I'm really hoping we see Shamans soon. Having a miko-equivalent in Minkai would be an awful lot of fun, especially if their proximity to the Forest of Spirits and its many kami means we get a lot of animism out there.
I'm really hoping we see Shamans soon. Having a miko-equivalent in Minkai would be an awful lot of fun, especially if their proximity to the Forest of Spirits and its many kami means we get a lot of animism out there.
If it means a deeper dive into Tamashigo and by extension similar animistic philosophies then I'm all for it.
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Since the advent of metaregions for use in the Inner Sea, I have often thought that many of the nations in Tian Xia are essentially their own metaregion. I would not be sad if the continental book we are getting is a robust introduction, and then later we get deeper exploration of the larger nations as metaregions.
I could see a similar approach for the other continents as well, after a big continent book. This would allow us to revisit and explore regions/nations on that continent without needing to introduce the entire continent.
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It's probably worth letting this thread know that Locathah have been rebranded to Athamaru for OGL reasons, and are coming in Howl of the Wild; fingers crossed for Xidao (and neighboring Wanshou!) to get some attention along with them. Those two nations and storm-tossed Kwanlai are fascinating to me, but there's so little published canon right now.
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As a huge fan of Vietnamese history (it is so hard to find history in English! haha) I am VERY excited to see Xa Hoi! So many cool possibilities for the way the history is represented with their dragon emperors, the surviving against Lung Wa, their proximity to Nagajor. I am very excited to see the lore.
I would especially like to see the internal politics of the region, and their reaction to the Successor States, will Xa Hoi try to fill the vaccuum themselves? Or remain fairly oblivious to the others?
Does Ameiko have a 2nd edition write up?
PF2 NPCs tend not to get statblocks, if that's what you're looking for.
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Jumping back to a previous idea: I really vibe with the idea that the "core" successor states are at war. It's been a minute since I last looked at them, but I remember thinking they make excellent places for characters to be from, realise how messy they are, and head off into the wider world. We get a lot of "war brewing" in the Inner Sea (which makes sense since that's when adventurers and non-government actors are so useful) but a full on "It's War!" crawl? Yes please!
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Jumping back to a previous idea: I really vibe with the idea that the "core" successor states are at war. It's been a minute since I last looked at them, but I remember thinking they make excellent places for characters to be from, realise how messy they are, and head off into the wider world. We get a lot of "war brewing" in the Inner Sea (which makes sense since that's when adventurers and non-government actors are so useful) but a full on "It's War!" crawl? Yes please!
I'd likewise really enjoy this. There's not been a ton of mortal nations brawling in the Inner Sea, and the Successor States have all been shaking knives at each other since Lung Wa imploded. If you don't want to go for the full faux-Romance of the Three Kingdoms with Lingshen/Po Li/Quain, then a smaller conflict around Kaoling's infamous belligerence (against the elves of Jinin and the samsarans of Zi Ha, if memory serves) feels very "protect the good kingdoms from the cruel invaders."
There's also whatever the southern kingdoms are hoarding firearms for, and whatever intrigues Nagajor has dipped their tails into.
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Jumping back to a previous idea: I really vibe with the idea that the "core" successor states are at war. It's been a minute since I last looked at them, but I remember thinking they make excellent places for characters to be from, realise how messy they are, and head off into the wider world. We get a lot of "war brewing" in the Inner Sea (which makes sense since that's when adventurers and non-government actors are so useful) but a full on "It's War!" crawl? Yes please!I'd likewise really enjoy this. There's not been a ton of mortal nations brawling in the Inner Sea, and the Successor States have all been shaking knives at each other since Lung Wa imploded. If you don't want to go for the full faux-Romance of the Three Kingdoms with Lingshen/Po Li/Quain, then a smaller conflict around Kaoling's infamous belligerence (against the elves of Jinin and the samsarans of Zi Ha, if memory serves) feels very "protect the good kingdoms from the cruel invaders."
There's also whatever the southern kingdoms are hoarding firearms for, and whatever intrigues Nagajor has dipped their tails into.
I DO! Even if it's not necessarily TOTAL War... :P
Forgive me if thus has been talked about, but what classes do we want to see?
I ask because I've fallen back in love with Dtang Ma, aforementioned (I think in this thread) nation of Thai sorcerers. It is ruled by a council of sorcerer who draw their magic from storms, music, stars and fey- so I hope we get some new bloodlines!
Shaman got mentioned- I'm not super familiar with them, what is their USP?
Forgive me, but what does USP stand for in this context?
Unique Selling Point
Ie, what makes this class special and interesting and why isn't it jut [other class] with different terms. Pathfinder's been pretty good with this in this edition!
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It’s worth saying that classes never come in Lost Omens releases, only rulebooks.
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Forgive me if thus has been talked about, but what classes do we want to see?
I ask because I've fallen back in love with Dtang Ma, aforementioned (I think in this thread) nation of Thai sorcerers. It is ruled by a council of sorcerer who draw their magic from storms, music, stars and fey- so I hope we get some new bloodlines!
On the one hand, I do love the nation and it's sorcerer ruling class, but the bloodlines chosen feel like a bit of a grab bag. I'd definitely want a thematic reason for the bloodlines in power. (Or perhaps even tweaking it to bloodlines tied to imperial dragons, like verdant (forest), elemental air (sky), elemental water (sea), etc.?)
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Something I very badly want to know more about: the Tian-Yae, a seemingly Shory-descended people with almost no wordcount in current canon. Every PC I can imagine based on the crumbs we do have - archaeologist-Inventors, Imperial Sorcerers, Air Kineticists - excite the hell out of me, but I want some more substance.
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Something I very badly want to know more about: the Tian-Yae, a seemingly Shory-descended people with almost no wordcount in current canon. Every PC I can imagine based on the crumbs we do have - archaeologist-Inventors, Imperial Sorcerers, Air Kineticists - excite the hell out of me, but I want some more substance.
I believe the Tian-Yae are the people living in Yjae, the Windblown City, previously of the Shory empire. Most info about them comes from what we know about Yjae.
I got my paws on the 1e Dragon Empires book and, first of all, I can't believe lore books were that short back then. Each of the regions only got a single page of text in the book that was about them. But I'm also more hyped for LO: Tian Xia than ever now that I know what's going on there.
I think I'm the most interested in Dtang Ma at the moment. I want to know how the ruling magical traditions affect society as a whole and not just government at the highest level. Given how sorcerers work, I imagine power would be consolidated into different families that pass along certain magical bloodlines to produce lord candidates if other types of spellcasters who draw power from the same source (e.g. a storm oracle or a summoner with a fey eidolon) aren't eligible.
I also think it's neat that the Vietnam-inspired region was chosen to be the one most associated with dragons when China would be the more likely choice. And also Tianjing would be a great opportunity to take advantage of tieflings and aasimar being combined into the same heritage. I'm still a little on the fence about that, but at the same time, a nephilim with the powers of both some sort of good holy outsider and a qlippoth.
Something I very badly want to know more about: the Tian-Yae, a seemingly Shory-descended people with almost no wordcount in current canon. Every PC I can imagine based on the crumbs we do have - archaeologist-Inventors, Imperial Sorcerers, Air Kineticists - excite the hell out of me, but I want some more substance.I believe the Tian-Yae are the people living in Yjae, the Windblown City, previously of the Shory empire. Most info about them comes from what we know about Yjae.
The first thing that comes to mind is that the people of Yjae finally came out of their room and started interacting with the rest of the continent.
The first thing that comes to mind is that the people of Yjae finally came out of their room and started interacting with the rest of the continent.You're a parent to a teen. Definitely. :D :D
Former teen making fun of parents of teens.
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I'm kinda looking forward to see if Lost Omen Tian Xia updates "ten years later" on several NPC relations in Kasai :'D Like how did dojo plotline resolve? Does the yakuza boss and witch still have that spicy manga like misunderstanding going on where former genuinely does everything latter wants out of free will but latter mistakes that for believing she is manipulating former with magic?
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Latest paizo live was really focusing on tian xia book stuff :O so hoping people give watch to it xD
Tsukumogami as a Poppet Heritage, some fun teases of Samsaran, Tanuki, and Wayang options, overviews of Wanshou and Valashmai, and a few other tasty hints - it was a fun one! TMS’s writeup is an essential resource, as always.
Dinosaur season!!
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Glad to hear they used the wayang becoming 2d idea :D
Luis beat me to the TTYD reference in-stream before I could type it in chat!
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Latest paizo live was really focusing on tian xia book stuff :O so hoping people give watch to it xDTsukumogami as a Poppet Heritage, some fun teases of Samsaran, Tanuki, and Wayang options, overviews of Wanshou and Valashmai, and a few other tasty hints - it was a fun one! TMS’s writeup is an essential resource, as always.
Where is the write-up? I don't follow the forum often enough to know who/what TMS refers to.
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Where is the write-up? I don't follow the forum often enough to know who/what TMS refers to.Latest paizo live was really focusing on tian xia book stuff :O so hoping people give watch to it xDTsukumogami as a Poppet Heritage, some fun teases of Samsaran, Tanuki, and Wayang options, overviews of Wanshou and Valashmai, and a few other tasty hints - it was a fun one! TMS’s writeup is an essential resource, as always.
TMS is The Magic Sword. A great poster whose write-ups provide awesome value to the community.
I too would be extremely interested in reading their most recent write-up.
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They post recaps of Pathfinder livestreams to Reddit as they happen .
Many thanks, Keftiu. And to TMS of course. Great write-up as usual.
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Another reason why I'm curious about Jade Regent npcs:
Paizo seems to often assume the hostile npcs that party can fight with die unless encounter is written with assumption that goal of party is to de-escalate, but essentially all optional cases of "character can be knocked out non lethally" are assumed to not be case and its rare for them to assume that party redeemed optionally redeemable character or kept any villain that attacks them first alive.
So in case of JR where two of npcs in finale basically have "if x happens, they just escape or stop fighting"
Like, Meida's whole point is that she is opportunistic behind the scenes manipulator who tries to seem non-threatening. Anything questionable you could find out she has done she could claim to have been forced by Jade Regent, so dunno how everyone in capital would suddenly know she was much less innocent than she seemed. So at best, she might get post humorous tragic war casualty reputation :'D
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Has there been any word about making Samurai and Ninja as sub-classes of existing classes or even as Archetypes? So far, I have a fighter I tried to make a Samurai. However I haven't wanted to play him since I heard Tian Xia would be the next Lost Omens. Need to see if I need to remake him with current options or is there something new I should wait for.
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Has there been any word about making Samurai and Ninja as sub-classes of existing classes or even as Archetypes? So far, I have a fighter I tried to make a Samurai. However I haven't wanted to play him since I heard Tian Xia would be the next Lost Omens. Need to see if I need to remake him with current options or is there something new I should wait for.
Lost Omens books tend to be light on class options, and the only one we've been told to expect is a new Magus hybrid study based on wuxia.
Your samurai should work just fine as a Fighter or Champion with appropriate gear and, optionally, the Cavalier archetype.
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Has there been any word about making Samurai and Ninja as sub-classes of existing classes or even as Archetypes?Your samurai should work just fine as a Fighter or Champion with appropriate gear and, optionally, the Cavalier archetype.
Except in Society, Cavalier is almost a pointless archetype. It just dawned on me that a Ranger with a Champion Dedication could make a pretty good samurai. Thank you.
I said this in another thread a while ago, but if Paizo want to keep how Drow mechanically work, while dropping as much WotC-licensed material as possible, I think the Jinin offer a possible way to do that. In 1e canon, the Jinin stayed on Golarion by fleeing underground like the Drow, but avoided being twisted by Rovagug and instead popped out on the other side of the planet in Tian Xia. That history offers a lot of opportunity to justify an elven ethnic group with subterranean adaptations, culturally and visibly distinct, but with plenty of new history and culture to set them apart. IIRC, the lands of the Jinin lie in the shadow of mountains which might allow them to retain their darkvision aboveground. And Paizo's Drow differed from WotC's by being blue, rather than black or purple, but in this case I like the idea of Jinin as [I]painting[.I] themselves blue, like Celtic warriors, rather than being born blue. And all of that would be a lot more interesting than the brief 1e outline of "elf weebs so impressed by Fantasy Japan they became samurai."
(Now posted in the correct thread, whoops.)
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Something I want to know is how to the various lands of tian xia perceive the avistani, garundi, vudrani, and keleshite. Like what stereotypes do they hold about them are they positive or negative and to what extent the various nations interact with the other continents if at all.
I'm not so sure I want to know their stereotypes, but some concept of what Tian-Arcadian relations look like would be nice. I know the latter continent has largely been treated as remote... but 2e works have gestured at a lot of cool cultures in the Okaiyo Ocean, analogues to various Pacific Islander nations and their incredible navigational prowess, so them getting a little more love would be nice.
There's some really fascinating accounts from ancient Chinese traders of what seems to be the the Philippines in its time - I want that sort of thing, but for Golarion.