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I don't think people realize that with Paizo's recent zero policy statement that so many names have already stopped appearing. I mean some of us see it and are grateful. But it seems that the overnight crew isn't realizing what a zero tolerance policy is. Going to have a rude awakening tomorrow though when they come back to continue this and find their accounts can't post.
Just boggles my mind that this is a site dedicated to gaming and learning how to play a specific game and people are willing to just give up their posting rights like that.
I don't think people realize that with Paizo's recent zero policy statement that so many names have already stopped appearing. I mean some of us see it and are grateful. But it seems that the overnight crew isn't realizing what a zero tolerance policy is. Going to have a rude awakening tomorrow though when they come back to continue this and find their accounts can't post.
Just boggles my mind that this is a site dedicated to gaming and learning how to play a specific game and people are willing to just give up their posting rights like that.
Yeah lots more quiet already!
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The risk being that their are other forums, Discords, Reddit etc where posters can go if banned. It’s not like the early days of the Internet where it’s one and only one forum to go too.
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The risk being that their are other forums, Discords, Reddit etc where posters can go if banned. It’s not like the early days of the Internet where it’s one and only one forum to go too.
Very very true. And honestly, as bad as this is going to sound. People can build the style of community they want. And that is both a good and bad thing. If someone wants to be exclusive they can. If someone wants to be inclusive? They can.
But it still boggles my mind that going to a website, who literally just posted a blog about zero tolerance policy for intolerance, and then completely ignoring it? I mean.... Why bother posting at all if you know you are just going to get banned?
If the community isn't something someone wants to contribute to in a meaningful way? It is just trolling and at that point why bother? I just don't get it.
I will engage fights/arguments with people who pick them with me. Sure. But to go out of my way to just make people feel bad? Well it makes sense if there is unhealed trauma there, but it doesn't make it right just because I can reason out why.
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But it still boggles my mind that going to a website, who literally just posted a blog about zero policy for intolerance, and then completely ignoring it? I mean.... Why bother posting at all if you know you are just going to get banned?
If the community isn't something someone wants to contribute to in a meaningful way? It is just trolling and at that point why bother? I just don't get it.
I will engage fights/arguments with people who pick them with me. Sure. But to go out of my way to just make people feel bad? Well it makes sense if there is unhealed trauma there, but it doesn't make it right just because I can reason out why.
The point is control, if they can push the line and they don't get real pushback by moderation it becomes a space for them to spread their ideals into a different community.
Its a slog but moderation is a perpetual battle to remind bad actors that this is not a space for hatred or bigotry. Part of it is with a rhetorical battle of pushing back when external forces try to redefine words, like trying to make "bigot" an insult.
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The risk being that their are other forums, Discords, Reddit etc where posters can go if banned. It’s not like the early days of the Internet where it’s one and only one forum to go too.
This is true. There are tons of places to go if one want so-called "Wild West" rules and say whatever one wants and not suffer the consequences. Of course, the downside is that one cannot cause mischief and flout rules or attempt to make others feel bad here.
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Sites like Reddit are also a fair bit more moderated than people think, especially on mainstream subs. I saw a guy yesterday on the Halo Infinite sub post a homophobic slur and get banned within less than a minute.
The "safe spaces" for bigots are ever dwindling, even if it's slower and more sporadically than we'd like.
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"weird"
I think a better way to describe it is, "some people here are acting like they're being discriminated against, the same way that trans posters have been verbally assaulted." And that's baloney.
As others have pointed out, Reddit and 4Chan and whatever that new Trump social media platform is are all available options for people who don't like Paizo's policy, which was always there from the beginning: "Don't be a jerk."
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The risk being that their are other forums, Discords, Reddit etc where posters can go if banned. It’s not like the early days of the Internet where it’s one and only one forum to go too.
Very very true. And honestly, as bad as this is going to sound. People can build the style of community they want. And that is both a good and bad thing. If someone wants to be exclusive they can. If someone wants to be inclusive? They can.
But it still boggles my mind that going to a website, who literally just posted a blog about zero tolerance policy for intolerance, and then completely ignoring it? I mean.... Why bother posting at all if you know you are just going to get banned?
If the community isn't something someone wants to contribute to in a meaningful way? It is just trolling and at that point why bother? I just don't get it.
I will engage fights/arguments with people who pick them with me. Sure. But to go out of my way to just make people feel bad? Well it makes sense if there is unhealed trauma there, but it doesn't make it right just because I can reason out why.
I’m not not one to deliberately antagonize the mods I won’t speak for anyone else.
I don’t see the need or desire of being banned as some kind of honour as imo it is not.
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I don’t see the need or desire of being banned as some kind of honour as imo it is not.
Twice I have been suspended specifically for calling out Paizo's bad behavior. Given recent events and that a larger portion of the community is FINALLY catching on to Paizo's history, I absolutely wear that as a badge of honor (or honour for our friends north of the border).
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I don’t see the need or desire of being banned as some kind of honour as imo it is not.Twice I have been suspended specifically for calling out Paizo's bad behavior. Given recent events and that a larger portion of the community is FINALLY catching on to Paizo's history, I absolutely wear that as a badge of honor (or honour for our friends north of the border).
Yeah, but lets read between the lines there. There is a difference between calling out a companies bad behavior and being punished than insulting fellow forum users to point out that you disagree with a policy.
People aren't taking up the policy with Paizo. They are insulting members of the community intentionally to see if the policy holds.
Mess around and Find out is what I say.
In a world with Taylor Swift don't be a Jake Gyllenhaal
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It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?
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in a world with taylor swift, don't be a jake gyllenhaalSorry for the derail, but I have seen this a few times and at the risk of revealing that I am too old to be cool and out of touch with pop culture, what exactly does this mean?
it's an inside.... comment? for Taylor Swift fans.
She just re released a cd and on it is a 10 minute version of a song that details how her relationship with a man 8 years older than her was an exercise in gas lighting and trauma.
Not sure we can ever be too old for pop culture when the pop culture just keeps getting recycled, song is from about a decade ago and re released :D
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It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?
Sadly I don't think there is a time limit for humanities downfalls. We are doing better but I don't think we will ever get to a place where these strawman arguments won't crop up in the worst kind of faith arguments.
Paradox of Tolerance. So long as people keep spewing garbage unopposed they will continue to do so.
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Miikeaemids (autocorrect keeps changing the name)
I don’t necessarily disagree with parts of what you are saying. Neither should one pike a sleeping bear with a stick just to see what happens because one can either. It’s up to you to do decide how you want to post yet yo are also coming across a someone deliberately asking to be banned imo.
No imo it’s not a badge of honour. In my book the parent who needs to do two jobs to make ends meet deserves that. Or put one life st risk to save someone. Be banned on a message board to me is a joke instead. Good for you now your banned would like a hot chocolate with that. Try insisting to anyone out of the internet that it is will have people laughing at tell one to grow up as life had more important things to actually care about.
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It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?
Which seems wrong. There is no Hierarchy of the Persecuted. All expressions of intolerance, WHOEVER it is directed at, should be responded to with equal severity.
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Nah. Paradox of Tolerance says that if you leave intolerance unopposed it will flourish.
This makes it looks like people are 'intolerant' to 'intolerant' people and according to the rule it is an oxymoron. Which is why it is a paradox.
Your logic is hugely flawed and I hope you grow to understand why some day.
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KC didn’t call you weird. She said you were behaving a little weird.
I certainly wouldn’t call snarkily trying to claim that simple statements about employment protection are bigoted just to prove a point about a policy you don’t like: “normal” behavior.
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It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?Which seems wrong. There is no Hierarchy of the Persecuted. All expressions of intolerance, WHOEVER it is directed at, should be responded to with equal severity.
Y'all remember how folks were saying literally last night that if you lay down the line on what qualifies on transphobia people will find a way to start pushing the line and trying to creep and figure out when exactly they'll get punished?
Watch it happen, live. "There is no hierarchy of the persecuted" is like 2 steps from some primary transphobia talking points, like those KC laid out here.
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in a world with taylor swift, don't be a jake gyllenhaalSorry for the derail, but I have seen this a few times and at the risk of revealing that I am too old to be cool and out of touch with pop culture, what exactly does this mean?it's an inside.... comment? for Taylor Swift fans.
She just re released a cd and on it is a 10 minute version of a song that details how her relationship with a man 8 years older than her was an exercise in gas lighting and trauma.
Not sure we can ever be too old for pop culture when the pop culture just keeps getting recycled, song is from about a decade ago and re released :D
But we can be too old or just not care to listen to Taylor's contribution to pop culture :)
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But we can be too old or just not care to listen to Taylor's contribution to pop culture :)in a world with taylor swift, don't be a jake gyllenhaalSorry for the derail, but I have seen this a few times and at the risk of revealing that I am too old to be cool and out of touch with pop culture, what exactly does this mean?it's an inside.... comment? for Taylor Swift fans.
She just re released a cd and on it is a 10 minute version of a song that details how her relationship with a man 8 years older than her was an exercise in gas lighting and trauma.
Not sure we can ever be too old for pop culture when the pop culture just keeps getting recycled, song is from about a decade ago and re released :D
Yeah, much like food as people get older we become curmudgeons and lose good taste in music. Luckily my youngest isn't 10 yet so I have years more of listening to great hits like Baby Shark, Noodles on my Back, and We are never getting back together.
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The joy of being a parent, or a teacher, even without kids of your own. Deo Gratias.