On the state of forum moderation

[TwilightKnight]

Yoshua wrote:

Not sure we can ever be too old for pop culture when the pop culture just keeps getting recycled, song is from about a decade ago and re released :D

Thank you. For me, pop culture mostly stopped in the mid '90s so even a decade ago is outside my wheelhouse. :-)

[Yoshua]

thejeff wrote:

Yoshua wrote:

Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?

Sadly I don't think there is a time limit for humanities downfalls. We are doing better but I don't think we will ever get to a place where these strawman arguments won't crop up in the worst kind of faith arguments.

Paradox of Tolerance. So long as people keep spewing garbage unopposed they will continue to do so.

Maybe we'll get to a place someday where we hear "It's 2051 and some people still do the "Intolerance against <some new thing we haven't even figured out yet> people? Well what about intolerance about trans people?"

Totally possible, and I can't say how happy I will be if it is that soon.

That being said, it all depends on who's house is on fire currently. I am not going to put out the fire on my house or my neighbors house by sending the firemen to the next county over.

Your point is valid. But this is one of those situations where I teach my kids. Don't look at what the person has in their bowl next to you. Worry about what is in your bowl, and if you do look at the bowl next to yours don't do it to see if they have more, do it to see if they have enough.

If someone pulls the strawman argument of 'oh, you are talking about this marginalized group, what about this other group that has nothing to do with it!' then that is hugely in bad faith, poor form, and missing the point.

Shining the light on someone elses need isn't darkening someone elses. They can both exist at the same time without having outside instigators pit them against eachother in the worst ways possible.

[thejeff]

Yoshua wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Yoshua wrote:

Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

It's 2021 and some people still do the "Intolerance against trans people? Well what about intolerance about left-handed people? Ginger people? Welsh people? Help, I'm a Welsh left-handed ginger man but nobody will help me, because not all lives matter, apparently! Help!" thing?

Sadly I don't think there is a time limit for humanities downfalls. We are doing better but I don't think we will ever get to a place where these strawman arguments won't crop up in the worst kind of faith arguments.

Paradox of Tolerance. So long as people keep spewing garbage unopposed they will continue to do so.

Maybe we'll get to a place someday where we hear "It's 2051 and some people still do the "Intolerance against <some new thing we haven't even figured out yet> people? Well what about intolerance about trans people?"

Totally possible, and I can't say how happy I will be if it is that soon.

That being said, it all depends on who's house is on fire currently. I am not going to put out the fire on my house or my neighbors house by sending the firemen to the next county over.

Your point is valid. But this is one of those situations where I teach my kids. Don't look at what the person has in their bowl next to you. Worry about what is in your bowl, and if you do look at the bowl next to yours don't do it to see if they have more, do it to see if they have enough.

If someone pulls the strawman argument of 'oh, you are talking about this marginalized group, what about this other group that has nothing to do with it!' then that is hugely in bad faith, poor form, and missing the point.

Shining the light on someone elses need isn't darkening someone elses. They can both exist at the same time without having outside instigators pit them against eachother in the worst ways possible.

Absolutely. Just that we will always need to improve and hoping we will get to the point where today's marginalized groups can just laugh off past oppression as just history because no one cares about that anymore.

[TwilightKnight]

Particular Jones wrote:

No imo it’s not a badge of honour

That's fine, you're welcome to feel that way. I didn't say it was YOUR badge of honor, nor that I needed the affirmation of others. I wear it as my own proverbial badge of honor. I really couldn't care less what other people think of it. A badge of honor does no have to be appreciated by others. That it has contributed to a widening awareness of Paizo's behavior is sufficient reward.

[TwilightKnight]

Yoshua wrote:

Yeah, much like food as people get older we become curmudgeons

What are you trying to say? Nevermind. GET OFF MY LAWN! ;-)

Yoshua wrote:

and lose good taste in music

Meh, my taste hasn't change, the music has. :-P

[Cori Marie]

Man sure were a lot of bad faith arguments that popped up while I was out.

[Heather F]

Locked for moderation.

[Heather F]

I am unlocking this thread. My apologies for the heavy handed moderation but there were quite a few off topic posts, most of which have either been addressed in other threads, or should be. I have also removed the deliberate baiting and all related content.

Just a note, if you are going to keep putting your toe over the line to see how much of breaking our community guidelines you are going to get away with before you earn a suspension, it won't be much.

[Cori Marie]

Thank you Heather!

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

Now that is really funny, I got a post deleted that said that it took more than saying one is sorry to demonstrate contrition, it took action, and yet that was somehow worthy of being taken down.

Eye roll.

[Berhagen]

I hope it is because the baiter got suspended/banned….

[Kobold Catgirl]

Once again, deletion of posts happens for many reasons, and I believe you were quoting a deleted post in that case.

[Logan Harper She/Her]

Apologies! I've removed the post because it quoted another removed post from a poster who is no longer here and is unable to reply.

[thejeff]

Logan Harper She/Her wrote:

Apologies! I've removed the post because it quoted another removed post from a poster who is no longer here and is unable to reply.

And thank you.

[Umbral Reaver]

When a user is suspended, does that delete all their posts or just stop them from posting new ones?

[Grankless]

Umbral Reaver wrote:

When a user is suspended, does that delete all their posts or just stop them from posting new ones?

Stops new ones.

[Kobold Catgirl]

I'm honestly not sure if we still need this thread, and I'm thinking about asking to lock it. We have three threads related to moderation, at this point, and this one and "Problem with Post Removal" are very, very similar.

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

kc, I am assuming your good intent, but please, don't bold responses, it is rude.

[Leg o' Lamb]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

kc, I am assuming your good intent, but please, don't bold responses, it is rude.

Huh?

[Ruzza]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

kc, I am assuming your good intent, but please, don't bold responses, it is rude.

????

[Storm Dragon]

Damn rude posters and their...

*checks notes*

Bold Text

[vagrant-poet]

Some people see bold as shouting, some people see ot as emphasis, or grammar, depending on how your internet patois developed.

I generally think it's best not to assume people are shouting if you see bold, it could be lots of things. The internet is a hodge podge of micro cultural pidgins.

[WormysQueue]

Yoshua wrote:

Not sure we can ever be too old for pop culture when the pop culture just keeps getting recycled, song is from about a decade ago and re released :D

Well, I just listened to people celebrating a *certain sound from the 90's (Gothenburg melodeath as in In Flames or Dark Tranquility) as the soundtrack of their youth, and that made me feel really old, so I'm pretty sure that I can^^.

*edit: it's relevant only because that sound just got recycled by a new supergroup consisting of actual and former members of said groups.

[Andy Brown]

vagrant-poet wrote:

Some people see bold as shouting, some people see ot as emphasis, or grammar, depending on how your internet patois developed.

And when. Some of us started before all this fancy formatting stuff; I still use * and / for bold and italic emphasis.

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I generally think it's best not to assume people are shouting if you see bold, it could be lots of things. The internet is a hodge podge of micro cultural pidgins.

Yeah, this.

[Yoshua]

Grand scheme things. If you are insulted be insulted. If you want to say you are insulted? Say it.

The person bolding will either clarify or they will let the insult stand.

Tone policing and/or telling someone how they should state things rarely goes over the way one thinks it will.

If I say how I feel I will likely get my point across better than telling someone how they should act. Leaves the ball in their court to either self analyze if they intended to make me feel bad or not. Then I can decide how I want to interact with them moving forward. One of the ways I do this is to ask/clarify intent and try not to assume/accuse good or bad intentions.

[Richard Lowe]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

kc, I am assuming your good intent, but please, don't bold responses, it is rude.

Generally, "this feels rude to me" is a far better response if that's how it comes across to you. The melting pot of the world that the internet is doesn't have to, and 100% does not abide by any single individuals understanding of it, we don't get to tell others what their messages mean.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Now that is really funny, I got a post deleted that said that it took more than saying one is sorry to demonstrate contrition, it took action, and yet that was somehow worthy of being taken down.

Eye roll.

For what it's worth, I recognize that my bolded text may have come across as sharp. I was frustrated that you were posting across two threads regarding a misunderstanding of an issue that's been litigated many, many times over, especially since your tone came across as really passive-aggressive. It is best to assume the best of people if you aren't prepared to do a little research before posting. "Mods delete posts quoting other deleted posts" isn't a big secret.

I can't honestly apologize? Like, in case it's not obvious, I thought you were being rude to the moderators, and I still think you were being rude to the moderators, and you haven't actually apologized for that. If you're going to be rude to someone, you need to put in at least a good-faith effort at making sure you aren't the one in the wrong.

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

I did not ask for an apology, just to be careful about bolding when responding to someone else.

[Ruzza]

As everyone knows, bolding is incredibly rude. However, asking the same question over and over after it's been answered multiple times is seen as charming and quaint.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Anyways, I'm going to ask for this thread to be locked. I think we've done what we can here, and there's another thread already dedicated to basically the exact same subjects now. :)

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

I made a comment, I did not ask a question. There is a difference between the two types of sentences.

[Ruzza]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

I made a comment, I did not ask a question. There is a difference between the two types of sentences.

My bad, being pedantic and generally feigning ignorance about their posts is seen as charming and quaint.

[Heather F]

Happy Monday! I'm going to lock this thread so we can move on. There are other threads that are similar, and y'all are starting to get cheeky on this one. Have a great week!