I would love a non-humanoid Ancestry, and Dragon feels like a great choice for it!
It just occurred to me that cecaelias (1 2nd Edition Bestiary entry already exists) have a similar form to Gylou Devils. That might be a problem for them in areas formerly occupied by Cheliax.
Doesn't Cheliax have like a bunch of people with like red skin and devil horns, hooves, and pointy tails? I think a lot of people would just assume you're another kind of Tiefling (which isn't like, good for you, but not being human in Cheliax isn't good for you anyway.)
Cecaelias also have the option of buying like really long poofy skirts. This will hide your leg-arms with the bonus of being able to change your height by stretching them out.
I want to play a real, full dragon. I don't care what it takes.Variant rules in other systems and editions have tried this. No one has succeeded that I am aware. I too desire this option.You might be right, if you are talking about integrating dragons with humanoid PCs. But an all-dragon party could work.
And in Pathfinder, a summoner with a dragon eidolon would come close. I have always liked that class as a way to play a monster with a humanoid pet.
If only Eidolons didn't automatically dump Intelligence (at least in 1st Edition -- wonder if 2nd Edition will have the same problem?) . . . .
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While I doubt a full-blown dragon ancestry will ever be a thing- and don't get me wrong, I really do wish it could be a thing, I would be incredibly happy with some kind of not!Dragonborn ancestry or heritage. Playing as a draconic race with all the potential abilities that could come from it would be so incredibly awesome, and I just love dragons as a thematic in general.
If we got some kind of Dragonkin ancestry- which are a thing in Starfinder, so precedence is there!- after Magus and to a lesser degree Gunslinger and Automatons- I would have to bandwagon off of other people because everything that I currently want in PF2e would be in. Everything else would be "hey that's cool" or "I agree, I want that in the game too".
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With the inclusion of Book of the Dead, I hope to see the Book of Dragons or Book of the Wild, and that they could add a brand new draconic ancestry or a draconic heritage, as well as a medium humanoid winged fey.
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I'd love a winged ancestry without arms that has to hold things with their talons like a real bird. Limit real flight to a high level feat and just let them flap to hover five feet off the ground or as high as they could jump (descending slowly every turn). Probably small, like a Roc-equivalent to Kobolds. Con penalty for hollow bones.
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If we're going to get weird with it, I personally would like an ancestry that's a sapient ooze.
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If we're going to get weird with it, I personally would like an ancestry that's a sapient ooze.
Glances at conrasu, dhampir leshys, automatons, and fleshwarped.
Yeah, uh, if we ever decide to get weird with it.
(This is not a comment hinting at an ooze ancestry, just an observation that we for sure "get weird with it" from time to time.)
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If we're going to get weird with it, I personally would like an ancestry that's a sapient ooze.
Very much agree. I'd especially like to see the Apallie from Bestiary 5 as an ancestry.
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With the inclusion of Book of the Dead, I hope to see the Book of Dragons or Book of the Wild, and that they could add a brand new draconic ancestry or a draconic heritage, as well as a medium humanoid winged fey.
Book of Aberrations would be my #1, but you’ve made me realize Book of Dragons is my #2.
Nonhumanoid Dragon ancestry would be a delight (offer a Kitsune/Anadai-style transformation Heritage if you’re antsy about it), as would a Medium Kobold heritage, some kind of dragon-y Versatile Heritage, and a mountain of player options and fun weird stuff… instant purchase from me.
+infinity if it has Outer Dragons.
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I'd love a winged ancestry without arms that has to hold things with their talons like a real bird. Limit real flight to a high level feat and just let them flap to hover five feet off the ground or as high as they could jump (descending slowly every turn). Probably small, like a Roc-equivalent to Kobolds. Con penalty for hollow bones.
This makes me think - one of the biggest issues with low-level flight is how low level enemies typically have zero options to combat it, right? So I wonder if it would be balanced to have a winged ancestry with early level flight where arms = wings. As in, you can use the limbs like arms if you are grounded, but the moment you take flight you can no longer wield weapons, cast spells with somatic components, use interact actions, etc. because your limbs are occupied with flying.
I hope the books aren't just "Book of [Monster]". I think there are some more interesting themes to tackle, like Horror, lovecraft, space, etc.
I just hope they don't stick with templates and just go nuts with all the books.
I want to see more options and depth and heritages for existing ancestries. I would love a few more human only ancestries - while there are a lot of human ancestry feats (with all the regional stuff) if you aren't doing versatile or half-orc/elf you only have 3 heritages, skilled, versatile and winter.
Otherwise yes Dragonkin/dragonborn type Ancestry and Half Dragon versatile ancestry would be welcomed.
Anything which is popular in Starfinder would also be welcomed - Lashuntas, Witchwyrds (since there are some on Golarion), Kasathas etc
Satyrs or fauns.
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While dragons are by a small margin (above fiends) my favourite pathfinder thing, I ,too, doubt that we will see it as an ancestry, at least the actual true dragon part of the whole deal. Unless they someday do "mythic ancestries" or something like that one day.
One way we could still have that fantasy is splitting the thing into two by playing into the "dragons as shapeshifters" angle. That is probably the only good way a true dragon can realistically fit into a regular adventure/AP anyway. You select a regular humanoid ancestry as your polymorphed form. Your actual dragon form stuff would come for a shifter-esk shapeshifter class or maybe a really crazy archetype.
This is not a perfect way, but it would be a way to have things like angels, fiends, dragons and so on without completely throwing immersion and balance out the window.
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Until the sweet day soemthing like this happens, I will satisfy my dragon itch with the blue dragon I just had an NPC sell to one of my players - we are playing Agents of Edgewatch, so what could possibly go wrong :D
The big issue with something like Dragon as an ancestry is that most martial player options are built around the use of weapons which are awkward for non-bipeds like dragons.
The future Synthesist Summoner into a Dragon Eidolon should help fill that niche for now.
Which is why I hope we one day get a Dragon Ancestry/Class combo that can only be taken with each other (with the ability to multiclass as normal).
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I hope the books aren't just "Book of [Monster]". I think there are some more interesting themes to tackle, like Horror, lovecraft, space, etc.
I just hope they don't stick with templates and just go nuts with all the books.
I don't think they will. When Secrets of Magic was announced, most people thought it would lead to Secrets of Martials, Secrets of Nature, Secrets of [add trope here] and they quickly showed that wasn't the case.
I think the same will happen with this line. Additionally, with some recent releases focussing on Horror, I would not be surprised if we see a book that expands on the Occult and Horror themes for fall of 2022. Psychic/Mesmerist/Occultist/Medium/Kineticist or similar proxies will almost certainly be in there.
I have a feeling that the Kineticist might show up on its own at some point. It is the least attached to the more traditional occult themes.
I hope the books aren't just "Book of [Monster]". I think there are some more interesting themes to tackle, like Horror, lovecraft, space, etc.
I just hope they don't stick with templates and just go nuts with all the books.
I don't think they will. When Secrets of Magic was announced, most people thought it would lead to Secrets of Martials, Secrets of Nature, Secrets of [add trope here] and they quickly showed that wasn't the case.
I think the same will happen with this line. Additionally, with some recent releases focussing on Horror, I would not be surprised if we see a book that expands on the Occult and Horror themes for fall of 2022. Psychic/Mesmerist/Occultist/Medium/Kineticist or similar proxies will almost certainly be in there.
Though, they certainly haven't stated that it won't be the case like they did with the players option books, so its possible, I'm actually super supportive of a Fey version of this book Mark mentioned thinking was a cool idea-- lore on the first world, lots more fey creatures, and fey player options in this style would be rad.
I think its more that they won't constrain themselves to this format.
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I don't know if I mentioned it already, but I wouldn't mind a Fleshwarp versatile heritage. For partial mutants and the like.
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I think we'll probably see Stheno and Nagaji at some point.
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I would like to see a Bunny/Rabbit ancestry. I would even take just one with the ears and small features, rather than beastlike. That would be neat.
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I would like to see a Bunny/Rabbit ancestry. I would even take just one with the ears and small features, rather than beastlike. That would be neat.
Could be a fun thing to toss into Arcadia?
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I would like to see a Bunny/Rabbit ancestry. I would even take just one with the ears and small features, rather than beastlike. That would be neat.
I like the idea of this as well. Right now I just use Ratfolk and re-image the look but it would be great to have a proper ancestry if only for Usagi Yojimbo fun.
I think the best replacement currently is the beastkin heritage. Just keep your character in the bunny form and you're good to go.
I recall seeing some 3pp rabbitfolk at drivethrurpg.com.
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I would like to see a Bunny/Rabbit ancestry. I would even take just one with the ears and small features, rather than beastlike. That would be neat.
They would always be getting the better of the Looney Duckfolk.
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I recall seeing some 3pp rabbitfolk at drivethrurpg.com.
Yep! There's one written by Luis Loza as a 3PP for Rogue Genius Games. HERE.