Metamagic feats and cost reduction

[shea83]

Hi, i'm playing in a PF Campaign where other books are allowed, like complete series and other 3.5.
I can't remember if there was a specific rule (maybe also a PF one) about metamagic cost reduction.
I have a +1 metamagic feat, still spell, and another +4 metamagic feat, quicken spell.
With my last level-up i decided to pick a Complete Mage feat: Metamagic School Focus. That feat provide a 3/day -1cost reduction for a metamagic feat i applied in a spell of a school which i'm focused in.
My question is:
Can i apply this reduction to still spell , reducing it from +1 to +0 ?
Or there's a rule on some book that says i can't go under +1 cost ?

Please help me , cause even my DM is confused about. He thinks that's a bug, but i think bug would be if i could go beneath +0.

Thanks

[Aquabat Flyer]

AFAIK, there is no such rule and I see no reason the metamagic cost can't go down to +0. There are already metamagic feats with no spell level adjustment (e.g. Merciful Spell).

[erik542]

shea83 wrote:

Hi, i'm playing in a PF Campaign where other books are allowed, like complete series and other 3.5.

I can't remember if there was a specific rule (maybe also a PF one) about metamagic cost reduction.
I have a +1 metamagic feat, still spell, and another +4 metamagic feat, quicken spell.
With my last level-up i decided to pick a Complete Mage feat: Metamagic School Focus. That feat provide a 3/day -1cost reduction for a metamagic feat i applied in a spell of a school which i'm focused in.
My question is:
Can i apply this reduction to still spell , reducing it from +1 to +0 ?
Or there's a rule on some book that says i can't go under +1 cost ?

Please help me , cause even my DM is confused about. He thinks that's a bug, but i think bug would be if i could go beneath +0.

Thanks

This is a very fuzzy area when you start to have multiple effects that do this. RAW metamagic school focus can lower a spell down to a lower spell level. If you throw in Improved Metamagic from either the Incantrix PrC or the epic feat, then there is no clear ruling. Those state that it can't lower the cost below +1, but if you have that and metamagic school focus then fuzziness occurs. Let us consider the case maximizing a fireball. Maximize is a +3, so you use metamagic school focus down to +0. This time we have improved metamagic, school focus, and we try again to maximize it. Is it at +1 or -1? Does the improved metamagic apply first or last? My personal ruling is to say it bottoms out at +1 in any and all instances of metamagic (exception to those that are +0 by themselves).

[Magicdealer]

When you add non-pathfinder material, sometimes you have to adjust pathfinder rules in order to make that material balanced.

Mostly, I would say to remember the limitations. First, that you can't apply a specific metamagic feat to a spell more than once.

A few suggestions, stay away from cheese like divine metamagic and nightsticks, also I suggest that you limit metamagic'd spells to a maximum before reduction of what you can already cast :p

I couldn't find any rule about a minimum +1, just a suggestion, so only apply reductions to +0.