Consider the following: A player selects the Ancestry Natural Ambition and chooses Domain Initiate. He gets 1 Focus Point as a result of his ancestry. At sixth level, he gets a Class feat and chooses Domaine Initiate as his class feat selection. He gets another domain but does he get another focus point. Hero Lab says yes. The argument I see is whether this is the same or not. If you get a focus point from a different source -such as a second class dedication- but your total number is under three my understanding is that they do stack. If it is the same, they do not. This one is a bit weird as you could view the focus point as being inherent -such as how a sorcerer or a monk gets their focus points- then again maybe not. You can pick this feat multiple times. Thoughts? How many focus points?
I thought domain initiate doesn't give a focus point
I thought domain initiate doesn't give a focus point
Look it up.
Core Rulebook pg. 121
Your deity bestows a special spell related to their powers. Select one domain—a subject of particular interest to you within your religion—from your deity's list. You gain an initial domain spell for that domain, a spell unique to the domain and not available to other clerics. Each domain's theme and domain spells can be found here.
Domain spells are a type of focus spell. It costs 1 Focus Point to cast a focus spell, and you start with a focus pool of 1 Focus Point. You refill your focus pool during your daily preparations, and you can regain 1 Focus Point by spending 10 minutes using the Refocus activity to pray to your deity or do service toward their causes.
Focus spells are automatically heightened to half your level rounded up. Focus spells don't require spell slots, nor can you cast them using spell slots. Certain feats can give you more focus spells and increase the size of your focus pool, though your focus pool can never hold more than 3 Focus Points.
Source Core Rulebook pg. 300 2.0
Focus spells are a special type of spell attained directly from a branch of study, from a deity, or from another specific source. You can learn focus spells only through special class features or feats, rather than choosing them from a spell list. Furthermore, you cast focus spells using a special pool of Focus Points—you can’t prepare a focus spell in a spell slot or use your spell slots to cast focus spells; similarly, you can’t spend your Focus Points to cast spells that aren’t focus spells. Even some classes that don’t normally grant spellcasting, such as the champion and monk, can grant focus spells.
Focus spells are automatically heightened to half your level rounded up, just like cantrips are. You can’t cast a focus spell if its minimum level is greater than half your level rounded up, even if you somehow gain access to it.
Casting any of your focus spells costs you 1 Focus Point. You automatically gain a focus pool of 1 Focus Point the first time you gain an ability that gives you a focus spell.
Special You can select this feat multiple times, selecting a different domain each time and gaining its domain spell.
I thought domain initiate doesn't give a focus pointLook it up.
I did to make sure. It says you start with a focus point but not that you increase it. The focus spell section says that typically feats increase your pool if you're below 3 but not that gaining a focus spell always increases your pool up to 3 points.
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I did to make sure. It says you start with a focus point but not that you increase it. The focus spell section says that typically feats increase your pool if you're below 3 but not that gaining a focus spell always increases your pool up to 3 points.I thought domain initiate doesn't give a focus pointLook it up.
The verbiage is ambiguous. If you interpret the wording on page 300 one way it suggests that whenever you gain a new spell you gain a focus point - up to three- selecting domain initiate a second time gives you a new spell so it would give you a new focus point. If you view it the other way selecting the same feat twice does not give you a new channel to your power source so you don’t get the added point. I think I agree with Hero Lab more but am unsure.
The verbiage is ambiguous. If you interpret the wording on page 300 one way it suggests that whenever you gain a new spell you gain a focus point - up to three- selecting domain initiate a second time gives you a new spell so it would give you a new focus point. If you view it the other way selecting the same feat twice does not give you a new channel to your power source so you don’t get the added point. I think I agree with Hero Lab more but am unsure.I did to make sure. It says you start with a focus point but not that you increase it. The focus spell section says that typically feats increase your pool if you're below 3 but not that gaining a focus spell always increases your pool up to 3 points.I thought domain initiate doesn't give a focus pointLook it up.
The two important quotes are:
Certain feats can give you more focus spells and increase the size of your focus pool, though your focus pool can never hold more than 3 Focus Points.
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You automatically gain a focus pool of 1 Focus Point the FIRST time you gain an ability that gives you a focus spell.
Re-Read the first quote:
Certain feats can give you more focus spells and increase the size of your focus pool, though your focus pool can never hold more than 3 Focus Points.
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Anything that grants you a focus spell also gives you an additional point, unless it specifically says it doesn't. I think there's a champion or cleric feat that says it doesn't, but I can't find it right now.
On that note, I see no problems with having 3 points at level 1. Oracles automatically get 2, and it would be really easy to gain another. Bards can also have two really easily if they wanted to. You would still only be able to recover 1 from a 10 minute rest, having 3 just gives you a bit of a buffer.
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"New Focus Spell = +1 Focus Point, to a max of three" needs to be the default across the board. The exceptions are ludicrous and only serve to create confusion.
(I am playing a monk 5/MCD champion in PFS. At 4th level, he picked up Healing Touch, which gave him a Focus Pool of 1. At 5th, he picked up Ki Strike via Natural Ambition, increasing his Focus Pool to 2. However, had he done things in the reverse order, he would have only 1 FP. This is not good game design.)
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"New Focus Spell = +1 Focus Point, to a max of three" needs to be the default across the board. The exceptions are ludicrous and only serve to create confusion.
(I am playing a monk 5/MCD champion in PFS. At 4th level, he picked up Healing Touch, which gave him a Focus Pool of 1. At 5th, he picked up Ki Strike via Natural Ambition, increasing his Focus Pool to 2. However, had he done things in the reverse order, he would have only 1 FP. This is not good game design.)
That isn't true. check page 302 side panel "Focus Points from Multiple Sources" (CRB)
The book even uses the exact MC feat you're talking aboutIf you have multiple abilities that give you a focus pool, each one adds 1 Focus Point to your pool.
For instance, if you were a cleric with the Domain Initiate feat, you would have a pool with 1 Focus Point. Let’s say you then took the champion multiclass archetype and the Healing Touch feat. Normally, this feat would give you a focus pool. Since you already have one, it instead increases your existing pool’s capacity by 1.
It sure does! Too bad the text of the feat itself clearly disagrees.
You gain the appropriate devotion spell for your cause (lay on hands for the paladin, redeemer, and liberator). If you don’t already have one, you gain a focus pool of 1 Focus Point, which you can Refocus by praying or serving your deity.
(emphasis mine)
If I had already possessed a Focus Pool, it would have not given me one, and thus the sidebar on pg 302 would not kick in.
Please note that I absolutely believe it should work the way the sidebar describes. I think the current setup is either an oversight or a terrible decision, and regardless I houserule it in my home games. But the RAW isn't particularly unclear here.