I was reading up on Mnemonic Acid Pathfinder #159: All or Nothing pg. 78 and I have a good knowledge Bard who will probably be interested in this Elixir if it's not a evil Act
but I'm in doubt I know in first edition it was an evil act to deliberately consume a intelligent being.
I also know that is often mentioned if it is a evil Act either in that description or as a tag?
and sorry to the guy that make the thread is evil evil and anyone else that is tired off is X evil questions.
I'm just saying in first edition it was a deliberate evil Act to eat foods made out of people (See Cook People Ultimate Magic pg. 82) even if the person was dead when prepared.
But you are saying sometimes it's not a evil Act to drink intelligent beings brains.
don't understand this disparity?
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Pharasma no longer allows chaotic or evil followers in PF2 when there was no restriction against it in PF1.
S+$* changes.
I wouldn't worry about what PF1 said when playing a PF2 game.
Let the GM decide, and if you are the GM then just decide. If you think drinking the brain of an intelligent creature is evil then label it as such yourself.
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I think the statement here is more that not having a trait or a passage in the book saying "eating people is an evil act" does not in any way imply that it isn't.
thanks everyone for the answers it helps immensely.
As Claxon points out, what PF1 said (especially in some expansion book like Ultimate Magic) isn't relevant to how PF2 works.
But I'll go further than that and say that what I said in my previous post is absolutely true, even in cases where the circumstances in which particular cctions aren't evil are the hypothetical ones you haven't thought of yet - and in a game where not all killing is inherently evil, and things I personally find the idea of to be vile (non-consensual mind-altering magic like charm) aren't marked as always evil, I'm not going to stress myself out over some random elixir that happens to be a brain/creature.
Yeah, honestly I've always felt a lot of mind altering magic, even something as simple as charm person which "makes them friendly" towards you is kind of low key evil. But the game just kind of assumes it happens and it doesn't really register on the Richter scale unless you follow it up with something worse.
Honestly, assuming you don't kill the creature specifically for the purpose of eating their brain memories I could see where it's not evil, in the same way that the old Speak with Dead wasn't evil or where reading someone's mind isn't labeled as evil.
Of course, if you want to say that by eating any part of someone for any sort purpose which would be against their will, that you are no longer respecting life and such an act is evil...well I'm not going to argue against you either.
Also, even if it isn't plain Evil it might be frowned upon by, or even anathema to, some deities, so take into account who the bard worships. Pharasma's anathema include "desecrating a corpse" for instance. What constitutes desecration is often arguable, but if the brain's original owner wouldn't have considered it an honor to have their brain eaten, and the eater isn't of a culture that considers it an honor, I bet Pharasma would be very firmly against it.
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I'm just saying in first edition it was a deliberate evil Act to eat foods made out of people (See Cook People Ultimate Magic pg. 82) even if the person was dead when prepared.
But you are saying sometimes it's not a evil Act to drink intelligent beings brains.
don't understand this disparity?
Technically, eating an intelligent creature was not always Evil in PF1 (lizardfolk did it regularly and were Neutral), it was magically gaining power from eating an intelligent creature that was always Evil.
Alchemy is not magic in PF2, and works in an antimagic field, so it not being Evil is entirely consistent with the PF1 ruling on this.
That said, specific assumptions like this are indeed also subject to change between editions, and the cannibalism prohibition as a blanket Evil never made much sense to me and has not, to my knowledge, specifically cropped up in PF2.
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I think it is probably pretty reasonable to expect that a lot of people would object to their (or their relatives) brains being dissolved in acid post portem so that a stranger can steal their memories.
I would consider it to be a touch unethical to do so without knowing if the person or their surviving relatives would approve, especially in a setting where ghosts definitely exist so the person is still potentially around to feel violated by that action.
Additionally, the random nature of which memories you end up with makes the utility of the act fairly questionable, which makes it harder to justify.
You end up experiencing memories meaningful to the person more or less at random, so you could end up experiencing that person's wedding night instead of finding out the identity of their murderer for example.
I think other methods of gaining information are far more reliable and ethical, but that a non evil character might stoop to it out of ignorance of ethics or desperation to get information, and that there are edge cases where it might even be considered the right choice by a lot of people, but that it general it's probably considered evil.
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For the record, I generally agree with TenderTendrils that this will usually be Evil, depending on circumstance. My point was merely that things that are usually Evil don't get the Evil tag, which is reserved for those that are always Evil.
Or at least it'd usually be Evil in cultures without widespread ritual cannibalism. Though in a culture where eating the honored dead is standard practice, this seems like it might be an expensive gesture of great respect and affection.
Or at least it'd usually be Evil in cultures without widespread ritual cannibalism. Though in a culture where eating the honored dead is standard practice, this seems like it might be an expensive gesture of great respect and affection.
And a great way to get Kuru!
And a great way to get Kuru!I imagine the acid fixes that problem, making it an excellent decision in a medical sense over just eating the brain. ;)
Actually no, or at least not guaranteed. Prion diseases are absolutely awful. Normal cooking and disinfecting absolutely doesn't work. I'm not an authority on the topic, but even dissolving in acid may not be sufficient to destroy the prion because they're very stable structures.
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Actually no, or at least not guaranteed. Prion diseases are absolutely awful. Normal cooking and disinfecting absolutely doesn't work. I'm not an authority on the topic, but even dissolving in acid may not be sufficient to destroy the prion because they're very stable structures.
I mean, sure, not in real life. But in the game, I'd assume Mnemonic Acid does the job or there would be rules for bad side effects from using it...which there are not.
Actually no, or at least not guaranteed. Prion diseases are absolutely awful. Normal cooking and disinfecting absolutely doesn't work. I'm not an authority on the topic, but even dissolving in acid may not be sufficient to destroy the prion because they're very stable structures.I mean, sure, not in real life. But in the game, I'd assume Mnemonic Acid does the job or there would be rules for bad side effects from using it...which there are not.
Yet...