A Garundi map of places below the Sargava / Vidrian line?

[Tacticslion]

What is says on the tin.

I know information about more southerly nations has been published, but I don't know if we've ever seen them, exactly, or where they are.

Most specifically, I'm looking for west-coast stuff, but I'm honestly interested in all of it - that means below the Geb "line" as well.

I know that I've seen snippets of things... but nothing too concrete (yes, this is a vague "joke" about the "Field of Maidens" being technically lower than Geb)*.

If so, does anyone know where these things are mapped out?

What about hard details about them? Obviously some things are available via Pathfinderwiki, but I'm curious if we know anything else about their numbers, economics, and similar. A lot of them seem to be reclusive or intentionally stand-off-ish.

I ask mostly in regards to both Skull & Shackles and Serpent's Skull** - both games in which my players and I have had burning curiosity about southern parts of Garund, but almost no information. While, of course, I'm always free to make up my own thing, it would be nice to know more about the place.

(Also, as an aside, does anyone know the thought-process on the new name? In-character Sargava was named for the first colonial-born daughter who learned Polyglot, enabling peace between peoples, but and though I've always wondered at the real-world inspiration for the name, what is the significance of 'Vidrian' both in- and out-of-character, if any?)

Thank you!
(And thanks, Paizo, for making such a great, interesting setting!)

* It's not even a very good one, considering my Inner Sea World Guide map of Golarion just re-informed me that Sargava is/was lower-in-latitude than Geb. My map-humor is well-made, everybody, I swear. :V

** It'll be interesting if I can reconnect with everyone to see what they all think of the Sargava -> Vidrian revolution, especially since a few heavily invested themselves in Sargava with an eye towards reformation, even going so far as to deeply integrate themselves into local politics/earning the graces of Lady Madrona Daugustana and Freeman's Brotherhood (especially famed revolutionary Umagro - yeah, they worked super-hard keeping everyone alive on that one) or similar, in an attempt to leverage things in favor of bringing equality peacefully. It may be interesting to suggest that after Madrona passes - she's pretty ancient already, and her death within a few years is not unlikely - petty in-fighting and squabbling among several of her legal (or socially-invested) heirs hamstrung the PC characters' efforts at internal improvements and they ended up effectively siding with the revolutionaries, though I'd likely ask before making such statements. (They were never so deeply enchanted with Kalabuto - partially because less time was spent there, partially because several of the most politically-focused had effectively dropped out in Eleder, and partially the place was so deeply racist (more so than Eleder!) that they saw little good that could be accomplished directly on the way to <S'sS spoiler>.)

[Darth Game Master]

No detailed map, but there is some information about Holomog, and a location for the city of Anuli on the old world map, in Distant Shores. However the old map has been shown to be inaccurate so I'm not sure where its location would be on the updated map.

[Saint Caleth]

Tacticslion wrote:

It'll be interesting if I can reconnect with everyone to see what they all think of the Sargava -> Vidrian revolution, especially since a few heavily invested themselves in Sargava with an eye towards reformation, even going so far as to deeply integrate themselves into local politics/earning the graces of Lady Madrona Daugustana and Freeman's Brotherhood (especially famed revolutionary Umagro - yeah, they worked super-hard keeping everyone alive on that one) or similar, in an attempt to leverage things in favor of bringing equality peacefully. It may be interesting to suggest that after Madrona passes - she's pretty ancient already, and her death within a few years is not unlikely - petty in-fighting and squabbling among several of her legal (or socially-invested) heirs hamstrung the PC characters' efforts at internal improvements and they ended up effectively siding with the revolutionaries, though I'd likely ask before making such statements. (They were never so deeply enchanted with Kalabuto - partially because less time was spent there, partially because several of the most politically-focused had effectively dropped out in Eleder, and partially the place was so deeply racist (more so than Eleder!) that they saw little good that could be accomplished directly on the way to <S'sS spoiler>.)

I think that the revolution going from Sargava to Vidrian was more akin to South Africa at the end of aparteid or Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe than an independence movement from the colonial power. If I remember correctly even as Sargava it was technically independant from Cheliax and the descendants of the settler colonists had their own identity (as Avistani Sargavans?). It was just still under the political and social control of the descendants of the settlers.

I am not that familiar with the specific character of Madrona Daugustana but if she is one of the old-guard class of ethnically Chelaxian Sargavans then her death and that of her peers might allow the opportunity for younger generations to make a more mixed culture and national identity regardless of ethnicity which would probably be beneficial for helping overcome many of the problems the country is facing.

It is also interesting that the new name of Vidrian definitely seems linguistically out of place compared to the other sorts of place names we have examples of from various Mwangi places. It is interesting then that they decided to have a new name from the settler language rather than changing to an indigenous name.

[zimmerwald1915]

There's a topographic map of the world, but only the Inner Sea Region and the Dragon Empires ever had their "national" borders fully mapped - and the latter only for PF1.

[Tacticslion]

Unfortunate, but thank you all!