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Well, I am not familiar with the Summoner class. But for this scenario, I would say that yes, your Eidolon would correspond to your thoughts/emotions as just before you instantly gain your class levels/mythic ranksAnother few questions for Xarath I've been assuming knowledge/power but not items/materials. However what about . . .
Class features such as familiars and Eidolon's? Do you have the potential to bind/summon them or might you be woken up by a paw slapping your face and a grumpy cat complaining its breakfast time and if you don't get out of bed they'll use the motivational claws on you.
House rules: Could you wind up with a figment, paracosmist familiar in human form chatting in your head as she drags you out to explore this fun new world?
Because depending on those situations the decision to come out of the closet as it were might not be yours.
The problem whit bloodline it's that only manifest during puberty so it's hard to say if you kids have or notDepends on the game, in mine bloodlines are bloodlines passed on from parent to child so if your an elemental bloodline you know 100% your kids will have it as well. They may not fully express it (lvl 20) but they will have it and the associated ability to do magic. but this is Xarath's rules so I can say for sure here. All we know is full 20/10 in the real world (don't forget you have television and worldwide communication this isn't a DND/pathfinder world).
To give details the two archetypes I was thinking of when I posted that question were . . .
1) Figment: For wizards or those with a familiar class feature instead of the familiar being a real animal e.g. cat its a creation of your own mind (a mini-eidolon) formed by your dreams and fantasies. Not sure if it could take a humanoid or human form that's where you verge into house rule territory. However they gain some benefits (can't be permanently killed for example) and some drawbacks (1/4 the nomral hp of a familiar no speak with others of their kind).
2) Paracosmist: Your eidolon (summoner class feature) speaks in your head and has done so before it ever took physical form.
House rule combine the two and get a familiar that's a figment of your imagination and can talk in your head before it appears as your cat/fox/human.
The important point being where is that division is it . . .
1) Knowlege only you can make a familiar or summon an Eidolon but you don't have one right now. If you have a figment familiar you can summon them but they're not wandering around your home.
or
2) Class features are ok e.g. as long as they're draw by power e.g. summoners eidolon's, figment familiars, presumably other class specific features like a witch's patron.
or even
3) Full life creation you wake up to find your druids Sabre tooth tiger companion is grumbling that the meat in the kitchen isn't enough for a snack. Worse your being glared at by an annoyed lvl 16 cohort from the leadership feat who didn't sign up for THIS and then they point out the other 200 followers are taking a look around the neighbourhood in full armour and weaponary as you hear the sound of police sirens getting closer.
If you were a twentieth level cleric with ten mythic ranks who the heck is going to manage to kidnap and enslave you????If you are going to be the only magical act in town, you want to be a cleric. Once you can cast Cure Disease you're set for life, assuming you can keep yourself from being kidnapped and enslaved by every powerful organization on Earth.
Also Miracle is hands down better than Wish. You don't need a 25k diamond just to ask for a lower level spell.
In the real world?
There is very little a wizard could do to stop a couple of snipers with M107's
How do I prove I have magic, I will disappear the Petrona tower and in 2 day I will reaper.
And way 2 day you may ask I will be running from the police and Interpol
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If you were a twentieth level cleric with ten mythic ranks who the heck is going to manage to kidnap and enslave you????If you are going to be the only magical act in town, you want to be a cleric. Once you can cast Cure Disease you're set for life, assuming you can keep yourself from being kidnapped and enslaved by every powerful organization on Earth.
Also Miracle is hands down better than Wish. You don't need a 25k diamond just to ask for a lower level spell.
In the real world?
There is very little a wizard could do to stop a couple of snipers with M107's
Besides contingency windwall?
or Foresight windwall
or protection from arrows
or a cloak of displacement
Or simply having such a high AC they cant hit
If you were a twentieth level cleric with ten mythic ranks who the heck is going to manage to kidnap and enslave you????If you are going to be the only magical act in town, you want to be a cleric. Once you can cast Cure Disease you're set for life, assuming you can keep yourself from being kidnapped and enslaved by every powerful organization on Earth.
Also Miracle is hands down better than Wish. You don't need a 25k diamond just to ask for a lower level spell.
In the real world?
There is very little a wizard could do to stop a couple of snipers with M107's
Besides contingency windwall?
or Foresight windwall
or protection from arrows
or a cloak of displacement
Or simply having such a high AC they cant hit
Or invisibility or mirror image or stoneskin or a billion other things? They'd better kill the wizard in one round or they're dead.
Also, isn't this a 20th level *mythic* wizard?
Besides contingency windwall?
Arrows and bolts are deflected upward and miss, while any other normal ranged weapon passing through the wall has a 30% miss chance. (A giant-thrown boulder, a siege engine projectile, and other massive ranged weapons are not affected.)
The M107 is an anti-material weapon, Wind Wall won't affect it.
or Foresight wind
Burning 9th level spells for ~2 hours of protection? Anyone with a stopwatch can get around this.
or protection from arrows
Might work on small arms fire. Not going to stop something designed to take out armored vehicles, aircraft, and reinforced concrete.
or a cloak of displacement
50% miss chance - but you only need to get hit once. It really does not even matter where it hits, the round imparts enough kinetic energy to kill you.
Or simply having such a high AC they cant hit
Armor.
Against something designed to take out armored vehicles?The real world does not work like that.
How many inches thick is that steel dome you plan on living inside?
If you piss off a government and make yourself visible, they will get you.
Or invisibility or mirror image or stoneskin or a billion other things? They'd better kill the wizard in one round or they're dead.
Also, isn't this a 20th level *mythic* wizard?
Minute/level spells are great when you decide the timeline, but are essentially worthless against a sniper that's willing to spend hours or days setting up a shot. Stoneskin won't stop something that goes through reinforced concrete and steel plating.
And yes, an anti-material rifle is going to kill you if it hits you. Even it it hits an arm or leg, the imparted kinetic energy is lethal. On a torso shot, the hole generated is bigger than a human torso.
Wizards have a lot of really powerful spells, but they are mostly limited with short durations and ranges. Any sniper worth his salt is going to set his shot up for when you are most vulnerable, not when you are at your strongest. This sniper might be a mile away, well outside range of retaliation. He may not be acting alone.
I'm sorry, you seem to think that real world physics trump literal magic, which breaks real world physics.
If you were a twentieth level cleric with ten mythic ranks who the heck is going to manage to kidnap and enslave you????If you are going to be the only magical act in town, you want to be a cleric. Once you can cast Cure Disease you're set for life, assuming you can keep yourself from being kidnapped and enslaved by every powerful organization on Earth.
Also Miracle is hands down better than Wish. You don't need a 25k diamond just to ask for a lower level spell.
In the real world?
There is very little a wizard could do to stop a couple of snipers with M107's
Besides contingency windwall?
or Foresight windwall
or protection from arrows
or a cloak of displacement
Or simply having such a high AC they cant hit
Or invisibility or mirror image or stoneskin or a billion other things? They'd better kill the wizard in one round or they're dead.
Also, isn't this a 20th level *mythic* wizard?
I'm god I kill the wizard, the sniper and kick the cleric and put giorgio tsoukalos as my representative
I'm sorry, you seem to think that real world physics trump literal magic, which breaks real world physics.
Magic in pathfinder has it's limits and even in the fantasy setting gets trumped by physics. That's why windwall doesn't work against boulders. It's why things like scent and tremorsense are able to greatly reduce the effects of invisibility. Even non-magical effects can mess with how magic works.
Sure, you're powerful and maybe the 1st assassination attempt against you won't work because of some un-expected contingency. But if you've made yourself an enemy you can probably expect multiple attempts against your life. Depending on how easily the 1st attempt is thwarted they may spend time just gathering information about you and launching the occasional attack just to test the limits of your abilities. Sure it may be extreme what has to be done, but clearly you are a threat that's well worth the effort.
What government? The instant they try something you teleport away and summon outsider after outsider to kill everyone involved in the government trying to hurt you. You curse their soldiers with lycanthropy so they maul their other soliders to death once a month, you teleport into their halls of governance and drop a cloudkill then teleport away.
the very minute any of them show their faces on TV to soothe the populace they die.
What government? The instant they try something you teleport away and summon outsider after outsider to kill everyone involved in the government trying to hurt you. You curse their soldiers with lycanthropy so they maul their other soliders to death once a month, you teleport into their halls of governance and drop a cloudkill then teleport away.
the very minute any of them show their faces on TV to soothe the populace they die.
ah I see, the Anthony Fremont approach. I suppose that works, if that's the kind of world you want to live in.
Let's be clear in something I you know you become a wizard mythic, don't you think there will be other like you who gain the same power? Do you reveal your self before other or wait to see who move first (if there are other the gm don't revealed to you that fact)
I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
the problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.
the problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
True also they will ask you to be patriotic and let them analyze you, see if you can teach others and help the with some mission
True also they will ask you to be patriotic and let them analyze you, see if you can teach others and help the with some missionthe problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
thats assuming that they dont just outright view you as a threat and use your friends and loved ones as leverage against you.
For me if I really have magic first will use divination spell in Las Vegas not much only 1-2 millions, then go to wall Street whit my flash of omniscience archmage talent I will buy the right actions to buy and to sell
The government can suck my fat, magical @$$... I already gave them my 8 years of patriotism... I don't owe them anymore.
What are they going to do? Force me to comply to their tests?
Test this, b!tches. It's called Weird.
The government can suck my fat, magical @$$... I already gave them my 8 years of patriotism... I don't owe them anymore.
What are they going to do? Force me to comply to their tests?
Test this, b!tches. It's called Weird.
Hahahaha yeap it's very weird
As I said: Divination, your own Demi plane you can enter from a closet. Use divination to know things and set yourself up as wealthy. You do it right you can get rich without too much issue.
If you are psychic, start each day with “Akashaic form’
Snipers have a problem then.
thats assuming that they dont just outright view you as a threat and use your friends and loved ones as leverage against you.True also they will ask you to be patriotic and let them analyze you, see if you can teach others and help the with some missionthe problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
Couldn’t you just teleport and remove them from their control?
Well if you can use the mythic modify memory from the bard in your mage spell you can make other (or maybe all the world) to erase they memory about you being a mage
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Sniper fetishism
A mythic level 20 character can survive falling from orbit and being submerged in lava. A Diviner wizard can't be surprised and automatically goes first. You can dual path for DR10/epic. Wall of Force has 30 hardness and 400 hp. Steel has a hardness of 10 and 30 hp per inch of thickness. An antimaterial rifle is not even going to dent magic. It has trouble punching through more than 2 inches of steel. Comparing the real world to magic pretty much never works out in it's favor.
A tier ten mythic diviner with access to mythic wall of force would really ruin a sniper’s day.
A mythic level 20 character can survive falling from orbit and being submerged in lava. A Diviner wizard can't be surprised and automatically goes first. You can dual path for DR10/epic. Wall of Force has 30 hardness and 400 hp. Steel has a hardness of 10 and 30 hp per inch of thickness. An antimaterial rifle is not even going to dent magic. It has trouble punching through more than 2 inches of steel. Comparing the real world to magic pretty much never works out in it's favor.
Sniper fetishism
Right, a simple protection from arrows turns your skin into steel as far as a sniper rifle is concerned.
Right, a simple protection from arrows turns your skin into steel as far as a sniper rifle is concerned.A mythic level 20 character can survive falling from orbit and being submerged in lava. A Diviner wizard can't be surprised and automatically goes first. You can dual path for DR10/epic. Wall of Force has 30 hardness and 400 hp. Steel has a hardness of 10 and 30 hp per inch of thickness. An antimaterial rifle is not even going to dent magic. It has trouble punching through more than 2 inches of steel. Comparing the real world to magic pretty much never works out in it's favor.
Sniper fetishism
You could add extended stoneskin.
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the problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
Hence my not revealing myself. I have little involvement with people now add magic and most of what I do is not going to be noticed. Wish a second identity that's all legal and above board then just put the extra passport, drivers licence, etc away for use if need be, repeat for a second set to be used to set up a new identity along with simulcrum to create a second identity to assume so i don't seem to be living forever. Private demiplane to escape too they're not going to notice that, few cleaning spells in an apartment with the blinds down again no one's going to notice that. A few personal use things that while they aren't possible in the world today (laws of physics) are unlikely to be noticed as they are small and personal. A divination spell to pick a lottery where you can win first prize for millions without affecting anyone too much (4 people win 25 million becomes 5 people win 20 million). Then just keep quiet and learn, travel, enjoy life with reasonable investments that in time get passed on to your "son/daughter" then their "son/daughter".
The hardest part will be faking your own child but a high acting skill, simulcrum or say a homemade duplicate spell (letting you be in in 2 bodies at once) and wish to create the identity plus a few years over seas in a place with poor surveliance will get around that.
the problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
Hence my not revealing myself. I have little involvement with people now add magic and most of what I do is not going to be noticed. Wish a second identity that's all legal and above board then just put the extra passport, drivers licence, etc away for use if need be, repeat for a second set to be used to set up a new identity along with simulcrum to create a second identity to assume so i don't seem to be living forever. Private demiplane to escape too they're not going to notice that, few cleaning spells in an apartment with the blinds down again no one's going to notice that. A few personal use things that while they aren't possible in the world today (laws of physics) are unlikely to be noticed as they are small and personal. A divination spell to pick a lottery where you can win first prize for millions without affecting anyone too much (4 people win 25 million becomes 5 people win 20 million). Then just keep quiet and learn, travel, enjoy life with reasonable investments that in time get passed on to your "son/daughter" then their "son/daughter".
The hardest part will be faking your own child but a high acting skill, simulcrum or say a homemade duplicate spell (letting you be in in 2 bodies at once) and wish to create the identity plus a few years over seas in a place with poor surveliance will get around that.
I mean absolute same. But if at some point it came out, you would absolutely have to be ready to protect the people you care about and issue a serious deterrent toward any group or government looking to control you.
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No way.
First thing you do is kill everyone you love... it's part of the ritual to become a Lich!
Take that, stupid government... can't hold anything over me now! Sorry dad, you wouldn't understand...
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I mean absolute same. But if at some point it came out, you would absolutely have to be ready to protect the people you care about and issue a serious deterrent toward any group or government looking to control...the problem with that is that if it ever got out you had that power no one would leave you alone. Specifically our govt.I certainly wouldn't ever assume that I am the only one with this power.
Leave world domination up to Pinky and the Brain...
I just want to be left alone.
If I woke up super powerful magic and $#!+, I would move back to Montana and only see people when I want to.
Hence my not revealing myself. I have little involvement with people now add magic and most of what I do is not going to be noticed. Wish a second identity that's all legal and above board then just put the extra passport, drivers licence, etc away for use if need be, repeat for a second set to be used to set up a new identity along with simulcrum to create a second identity to assume so i don't seem to be living forever. Private demiplane to escape too they're not going to notice that, few cleaning spells in an apartment with the blinds down again no one's going to notice that. A few personal use things that while they aren't possible in the world today (laws of physics) are unlikely to be noticed as they are small and personal. A divination spell to pick a lottery where you can win first prize for millions without affecting anyone too much (4 people win 25 million becomes 5 people win 20 million). Then just keep quiet and learn, travel, enjoy life with reasonable investments that in time get passed on to your "son/daughter" then their "son/daughter".
The hardest part will be faking your own child but a high acting skill, simulcrum or say a homemade duplicate spell (letting you be in in 2 bodies at once) and wish to create the identity plus a few years over seas in a place with poor surveliance will get around that.
That's what the second identity and demiplane is for. They find out and you make a big huge deal about abandoing the world and withdrawing to your own realm. Then quietly come back as say Adaliya Keita a young girl living in Africa quietly watching your family via clairvoyance in case you do actually need to take steps but if they're left alone then you just go on with your new life or actually withdraw to the demiplane.
That's what the second identity and demiplane is for. They find out and you make a big huge deal about abandoing the world and withdrawing to your own realm. Then quietly come back as say Adaliya Keita a young girl living in Africa quietly watching your family via clairvoyance in case you do actually need to take steps but if they're left alone then you just go on with your new life or actually withdraw to the demiplane.
Which is certainly a thing but honestly I would absolutely not be willing to just abandon my loved ones and pretend to be dead when i could do what every nation with a nuke does and demonstrate how messing with my interests would be MAD.
You guys are thinking to far let say you gain magic like a Pathfinder system, ok that good, but here is the question you may ask for your self: what lv are you, is there a familiar? Where is the spell book? I'm a multiclass? Are there other like you?
This thing you will do it at low perfile before you now your true power and get some answers
You guys are thinking to far let say you gain magic like a Pathfinder system, ok that good, but here is the question you may ask for your self: what lv are you, is there a familiar? Where is the spell book? I'm a multiclass? Are there other like you?
This thing you will do it at low perfile before you now your true power and get some answers
Literally all of this is posited in the very first post in this thread.
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Literally all of this is posited in the very first post in this thread.You guys are thinking to far let say you gain magic like a Pathfinder system, ok that good, but here is the question you may ask for your self: what lv are you, is there a familiar? Where is the spell book? I'm a multiclass? Are there other like you?
This thing you will do it at low perfile before you now your true power and get some answers
Not all hence my asking what comes with the power do you get familiar, familiar if its not a real being (figment archetype) or just the ability to get a familiar, if you have leadership are all those beings just created and so on.
The issue of what happens next is important. Not just how do you prove magic is real but should you prove it.
Fair enough like I said I already have limited contact with my family and if dissapearing will keep them safe I'd do it. However I do think as long as your not going nuts with the spell casting in a "Oh I'm late, teleport" way there's a good chance it wont be found out even with modern surveilance systems. Win one lottery with divination its good luck and you now have millions to invest in say a term deposit to live on, win every lottery with divination and you'll draw attention.
For example lets say I want to see what life is like as a young woman given all the social justice warrioring messing with movies. I use wish to give myself an idenitity, use a spell to ensure I'm able to be in to places at once (Simulcrum or twin). One of me shifts into a young woman and enrolls at uni, I continue going to work. How long till anyone even notices there's a young woman living at my apartment now day's, weeks, months, years? (obviously if your more social than me it'd be shorter) and when they do I simply say "Oh that's my niece attending uni down here and staying with me to save money. We're both seen at differnt times and places but also at the same time and place on occasion. Do you really think people will think "magical duplicate exploring life as a woman" or accept "niece living with him to save money till she finds a job down here". If said niece moves out to her own place when she does find a job she can do around uni why would anyone question it? That's a fairly major use of magic but nothing to draw attention from anyone.
It's nice and all you have noble propose. But real life it's not so simple specially our world. If you can use magic people will see you whit admiration but other will see you like a freak, human kind don't like things that are different from them, history shows us that fact: the crusade, the slavery of colored men, WW2 (war crimes),witch hunting in Europe and EEUU (Salem)
As for how people don't like things that are different from them, you could always pretend to be something else? like a saviour or prophet?
Savior or prophet of which religion? Cristian, Muslim, Judaism, Jehovah witness?
It's like creating a holy warWe have ISIS doing a holy war you want to create another
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It's nice and all you have noble propose. But real life it's not so simple specially our world. If you can use magic people will see you whit admiration but other will see you like a freak, human kind don't like things that are different from them, history shows us that fact: the crusade, the slavery of colored men, WW2 (war crimes),witch hunting in Europe and EEUU (Salem)
Noble nothing I'm keeping it secret BECAUSE I don't trust or like humanity in general. It's just that the things I'd like to do with it are unlikely to draw attention because I don't desire fame, fortune or the usual things that would put me in the limelight and have people likely to notice something odd. You'll note I'm effectively saying "Yes I can cure all those diseases and guide humanity to a golden age (divination) but I'm not going to. You can still die, suffer and tear each other apart while I have fun with my powers. Heck if you allow house rules I'm all for hoping a dimension or two over to one where I don't exist then trolling the world by creating illusions of flying dragons over time's square or picking some bratty tween/early teen in the shopping mall and turning them into a girl/boy/cat/dog/other and rewriting everyones memories to think they'd always been that way until they learn a lesson or causing massive complete vehicular failure on drivers who pull over right in front of you rather than a safe distance away or other driving annoyances. Heck I think it's still legal (if not enforced) for you to be arrested for witchcraft here. I'm keeping the powers I get secret as much for my own protection as anything else.
Noble would be going out and trying to cure all those people dying of untreatable diseases and the like. That's not me.
Yeah, why would I want to prove it to anyone.
Maybe I'd show my wife, but probably not even my parents.
People knowing you had magic would be dangerous for you, especially if I'm in a world (normally) without magic.
I would endeavor to hide it.
That said, I would use divination magic to hit the lotto and invest it in stocks where I would further use divination magic to make lots of money and then just live off the interest and try to be as low key as possible.
Any magic I perform would not be public facing.
Eventually I would probably create a timeless demiplane from which I would astral project and wander the world exploring everything and experiencing everything the world has to offer.
Assuming I have the most power possible for a mortal, being just short of actual divinity, and assuming my wealth is vast enough that it will not run out regardless of what I might do, what do you have left in life to do but live for the experience.
Careful use of a fortune hex in Vegas could work.
Still, there is no magic that compares to the destructive potential of a nuke.