I've noticed that the divine spell list is sorely lacking in ways to make long-distance traveling easier. No teleportation, no wind walk, not even phantom steed. The only spell the divine list seems to have that would help with long-distance travel is Wanderer's Guide and that's dependent on the terrain you're traveling in. I must admit this does not sit overly well with me.
Divine works on the spirit and life essences. Neither of those essences seem to fit well with teleportation, wind walk, or phantom steed.
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In general, long distance traveling isn't as easy as it used to be. Teleport is an uncommon spell, so is Plane Shift, so is Gate.
Some deities with particular interest in travel will give traveling spells to their followers. Alseta gives Dimension Door, Pulura gives Teleport, Isis gives Wind Walk. Drangnvit and Jaidz give Longstrider.
Most gods get only three spells to give to their followers. Desna spent hers on dream stuff.
In general, long distance traveling isn't as easy as it used to be. Teleport is an uncommon spell, so is Plane Shift, so is Gate.
Some deities with particular interest in travel will give traveling spells to their followers. Alseta gives Dimension Door, Pulura gives Teleport, Isis gives Wind Walk. Drangnvit and Jaidz give Longstrider.
Most gods get only three spells to give to their followers. Desna spent hers on dream stuff.
I hadn't noticed that Shadow Walk is also Uncommon. :(
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I do think its kind of weird how the Desna, the Goddess of Travelers and Dreamers. Who's churches are small due to the priest's constant travel. Who's shrines are often near roads. And which gave multiple archetypes and prestige classes based on travel. Has so little connection to it.
If there was a Deity to give travel spells it should had been Desna.
Maybe she thinks teleportation is cheating, gotta use your own two feet or else you aren't a true believer.
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Plane Shift (and going to your deity's realm that you can't otherwise access) is a very different for a Cleric than simply teleporting. And anyone else really, Plane Shift and Teleport are two completely different things.
You mention the stuff she gave her Prestige Class worshippers, that may come back in the future in some way, taking a feat to get expanded spells from your deity?
But yeah I don't believe she hates teleporting or anything of the sort, she would just prefer people to travel rather than skipping the sights.
For a boring mundane reason why she doesn't grant Teleport it would likely turn her into a must have deity for a whole swath of people, who would pick her just for Teleport.
For a boring mundane reason why she doesn't grant Teleport it would likely turn her into a must have deity for a whole swath of people, who would pick her just for Teleport.
And how is this different for a whole swath of people that pick their patron deity based on the ability to grant "true strike"?
(*just kidding, could not resist the jab*)
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For a boring mundane reason why she doesn't grant Teleport it would likely turn her into a must have deity for a whole swath of people, who would pick her just for Teleport.And how is this different for a whole swath of people that pick their patron deity based on the ability to grant "true strike"?
(*just kidding, could not resist the jab*)
Those people get a headpat, they trying.
Desna strikes me as exactly the type of person to play skyrim with fast travel turned off but leaves in the wagons for very specific cases. Sometimes you gotta go fast, but it's better to actually take the journey and see what you experience.
Not everything is on every list.
You will get zero argument from me there. I don't take umbrage with specific spells not being on the divine list, I'm taking umbrage with the divine list not even offering options for long-distance travel.
Divine works on the spirit and life essences. Neither of those essences seem to fit well with teleportation, wind walk, or phantom steed.
Yet occult spellcasters, spirit and mind, do get access to Phantom Steed. Frankly I fail to see how spirit and life is less qualified to summon horses than that.
In general, long distance traveling isn't as easy as it used to be. Teleport is an uncommon spell, so is Plane Shift, so is Gate.
Some deities with particular interest in travel will give traveling spells to their followers. Alseta gives Dimension Door, Pulura gives Teleport, Isis gives Wind Walk. Drangnvit and Jaidz give Longstrider.
Most gods get only three spells to give to their followers. Desna spent hers on dream stuff.
I do agree with the design decisions made by Paizo in this regard, the journeys generally make things more fun. I'm just bothered that the divine list doesn't, outside of specific deities, offer some option to help speed travel should the situation arise.
And yeah I agree on Desna. It's the journey that counts, spells that skip straight to the destination in wouldn't appeal to her.
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Divine works on the spirit and life essences. Neither of those essences seem to fit well with teleportation, wind walk, or phantom steed.Yet occult spellcasters, spirit and mind, do get access to Phantom Steed. Frankly I fail to see how spirit and life is less qualified to summon horses than that.
You conjure a Large, magical, equine creature that only you (or another Medium or Small creature you choose) can ride. The horse is clearly phantasmal in nature.
We might get a "summon divine charger" spell later though, but right now we don't really have a divine themed mount option.
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I feel like everyone is ignoring the existence of Miracle as an option here.
(Joke statement disclaimer)
What I'll throw out as a real statement on the issue is that while the Divine list doesn't make travel faster, it does get some of the earlier options for making it easier.
Both Purify Food and Drink and Create Food are available early, and Common (unlike some of the Arcane high level camping options). These are hugely beneficial, especially in hostile areas where finding food and water is tricky.
What I'll throw out as a real statement on the issue is that while the Divine list doesn't make travel faster, it does get some of the earlier options for making it easier.
Both Purify Food and Drink and Create Food are available early, and Common (unlike some of the Arcane high level camping options). These are hugely beneficial, especially in hostile areas where finding food and water is tricky.
Well it makes travel faster, however not indefinitely so.
Wanderer's Guide or Show The Way for example lets you traverse difficult terrain much faster.
What I'll throw out as a real statement on the issue is that while the Divine list doesn't make travel faster, it does get some of the earlier options for making it easier.
Both Purify Food and Drink and Create Food are available early, and Common (unlike some of the Arcane high level camping options). These are hugely beneficial, especially in hostile areas where finding food and water is tricky.
Well it makes travel faster, however not indefinitely so.
Wanderer's Guide or Show The Way for example lets you traverse difficult terrain much faster.
Thats a good point.
Wanderer's Guide is especially good for Clerics, who don't have to commit part of a spell repertoire to it.
Divine works on the spirit and life essences. Neither of those essences seem to fit well with teleportation, wind walk, or phantom steed.Yet occult spellcasters, spirit and mind, do get access to Phantom Steed. Frankly I fail to see how spirit and life is less qualified to summon horses than that.You conjure a Large, magical, equine creature that only you (or another Medium or Small creature you choose) can ride. The horse is clearly phantasmal in nature.We might get a "summon divine charger" spell later though, but right now we don't really have a divine themed mount option.
That just makes me question why primal gets phantom steed, body and life, then. I'm a-okay with occult and primal casters having the spell, but divine casters not being able to bring forward a living mount is still bothersome.
Though yeah Rysky, I'm hoping we get one.
On the subject of Wanderer's Guide, oh yeah when it comes up it's great. It's just selective compared to the options other casters get for easing travel.
Though I will grant that divine casters getting to provide food and water is also a major boon for travel.
Who knows, maybe Word of Recall will return in the APG.
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Wind Wall still exists, but it's now a Primal spell. All of the spell lists gained some and lost some in the shuffle.
And yeah, there are loads of spells that would have made sense for Desna to have, but the design is that deities get 3 unusual spells, and she'd already gotten three.
And yeah, there are loads of spells that would have made sense for Desna to have, but the design is that deities get 3 unusual spells, and she'd already gotten three.
Yup, and arguably while it may be less useful mechanically than evergreen spells like longstrider. Thematically Desna's ties to sleep and dreams are stronger imo, given a 3 spell limit their choices were solid imo.
Maybe she thinks teleportation is cheating, gotta use your own two feet or else you aren't a true believer.I do think its kind of weird how the Desna, the Goddess of Travelers and Dreamers. Who's churches are small due to the priest's constant travel. Who's shrines are often near roads. And which gave multiple archetypes and prestige classes based on travel. Has so little connection to it.
If there was a Deity to give travel spells it should had been Desna.
I am pretty sure desna sees the journey as the entire point not just skipping it and getting to the end.
I would not worry to much about certain utility spell lacking at this time. The APG alone should have a bunch of additional spells and as more stuff comes out this will flesh out over time.