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Hiya all! Just a quick question regarding the Heavenly Radiance feat.
It requires you to be an Aasimar, with the Daylight spell-like-ability. Now, as written it doesn't require the spell-like-ability to come from the Aasimar race specifically, so my Peri-Blooded character could get it from another source and still be perfectly legal.
The Lamplighter Archetype for the Investigator allows you to burn extracts to get a Daylight spell at level 5; the Ability is also defined as (Sp) or Spell-Like.
So my question is this: Does this ability allow me to qualify for feats (such as Heavenly Radiance) that require a Daylight spell-like ability?
With this, I could cast, say, Wandering Star Motes from my lantern by burning an extract, effectively becoming a spontaneous caster of that spell specifically, since I get the spell-like ability any time I burn an extract (obviously the extra Daylight use from the feat would have no effect since it's already spontaneous).
My argument for would be that it allows me to cast Daylight as a spell-like ability which is the only requirement an Aasimar needs to meet for the feat. It's not a broken combination by any means, but given the complexity of the ability I was wondering if it would be considered legal or allowed at tables.
Thanks!
~Nitro
P.S. Would this be allowed for the Quicken Spell-Like Ability feat? As written it seems to qualify, but it feels wrong to me somehow.
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You're not being impatient. Bit of a tricky one. I'm not confident enough in any of this to bring it to PFS, but as I interpret for my table:
The requirement that you be an aasimar is, as phrased, separate from the requirement for a Daylight SLA. An aasimar with Daylight SLA from another source should qualify.
Alchemical Illumination does give you Daylight as an SLA, even if the pool of daily uses is handled differently.
I would even allow the "additional use of Daylight" granted by Heavenly Radiance to give you uses of Daylight or the Heavenly Radiance SLA without having to spend extracts - though I think that's a generous interpretation and would not be surprised by a stricter ruling in which you don't gain extra uses.
The Searing Light SLA from the lamplighter should still work with the Conductive Pistol.
You're not being impatient. Bit of a tricky one. I'm not confident enough in any of this to bring it to PFS, but as I interpret for my table:
The requirement that you be an aasimar is, as phrased, separate from the requirement for a Daylight SLA. An aasimar with Daylight SLA from another source should qualify.
Alchemical Illumination does give you Daylight as an SLA, even if the pool of daily uses is handled differently.
I would even allow the "additional use of Daylight" granted by Heavenly Radiance to give you uses of Daylight or the Heavenly Radiance SLA without having to spend extracts - though I think that's a generous interpretation and would not be surprised by a stricter ruling in which you don't gain extra uses.
The Searing Light SLA from the lamplighter should still work with the Conductive Pistol.
I don't know...Alchemical Illumination does mention using the lamp/lantern for this, so that could be problematic.
That's my worry, yeah. How would that specifically interfere with the rules, do you know?
I don't know...Alchemical Illumination does mention using the lamp/lantern for this, so that could be problematic.
It has to do with what is occupying your hands. In one hand, a torch or lantern. In the other, the extract/potion you wish to convert to Searing Light. This would mean there is no way to apply it to a Conductive weapon as your hands are occupied AND you put it on/in the torch/lantern.
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That's my worry, yeah. How would that specifically interfere with the rules, do you know?
I don't know...Alchemical Illumination does mention using the lamp/lantern for this, so that could be problematic.It has to do with what is occupying your hands. In one hand, a torch or lantern. In the other, the extract/potion you wish to convert to Searing Light. This would mean there is no way to apply it to a Conductive weapon as your hands are occupied AND you put it on/in the torch/lantern.
It just seems like that is the common sense way to rule it.
You don't need to be holding the torch or lantern, I don't believe; that specific ability only requires that the lamp or torch be lit. This guy would be wearing it on his hat, because Pathfinder is awesome. Even if you did need to hold it, you can still easily get more limbs.
If you trade out your Daylight ability, by your choice of heritage, you don't have the SLA needed to qualify for the feat.
And you can't take the Extra Daylight Ability since you don't have Daylight to qualify for it.
In the OP, the OP indicated the Alchemical Illumination ability of the Investigator (Lamplighter), gained at 2nd level. It is listed as (Sp) which makes it an SLA, allowing the feat.
The spell Dancing Lantern can make a lantern hover near him, for easy access without a hand. [Too bad the spell is not on his list. UMD or friend time.] It can be made permanent. It can also use a burning torch, which can be held for him. A mundane version is the Miner's Lantern which can be mounted on a helmet, thus not needing a hand to carry.
/cevah
In the OP, the OP indicated the Alchemical Illumination ability of the Investigator (Lamplighter), gained at 2nd level. It is listed as (Sp) which makes it an SLA, allowing the feat.
The spell Dancing Lantern can make a lantern hover near him, for easy access without a hand. [Too bad the spell is not on his list. UMD or friend time.] It can be made permanent. It can also use a burning torch, which can be held for him. A mundane version is the Miner's Lantern which can be mounted on a helmet, thus not needing a hand to carry.
/cevah
The SLA has to be the specific Aasimar SLA, not a class based SLA to be relevant for the ability referred to in this thread.
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A mundane version is the Miner's Lantern which can be mounted on a helmet, thus not needing a hand to carry.
This was my plan, yeah.
The SLA has to be the specific Aasimar SLA, not a class based SLA to be relevant for the ability referred to in this thread.
The feat makes no such stipulations. It could be argued that, as intended, you should only use it with the Aasimar's own Daylight, but surely it is just as thematic for an Emberkin to be able to gain Heavenly Radiance by burning things in a lamp?
It would also have been incredibly easy to just add "Daylight Spell-Like Ability Racial Trait" instead if they really wanted to preclude this sort of thing. Perhaps they wanted sufficiently light-orientated Aasimar to be able to perform the act, even without gaining that Spell-Like Ability from birth.
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That's my reasoning for allowing it.
For contrast, see Claw Pounce which uses the "racial trait" language rather than just saying "catfolk, claws."
Thank you for the response! That's pretty much how I'd thought it'd work, apart from the "additional use" which I don't think was written with this sorta ability in mind, though I also see your point of view.
I don't think any of it was really written with this sort of ability in mind. But I do think it's balanced and thematic, and a generous interpretation of "additional use" doesn't change that.
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Thank you for the response! That's pretty much how I'd thought it'd work, apart from the "additional use" which I don't think was written with this sorta ability in mind, though I also see your point of view.I don't think any of it was really written with this sort of ability in mind. But I do think it's balanced and thematic, and a generous interpretation of "additional use" doesn't change that.
Good point, actually. Thanks for the input!
The SLA has to be the specific Aasimar SLA, not a class based SLA to be relevant for the ability referred to in this thread.
Can you prove this rather strong claim?