Who wins a tie in contest of skills

[Ughbash]

Stealth vs Perception is a contest of skills. So lets assume that the stealthy person ambushing gets a 25 for the skill contest, and the Ambushee gets a 25 on his perception attack to see the ambush. Who wins?

Same thing with Perception vs Sleight of Hand. Does a sleight of hand roll of 25 set the target at 25 for the perception so a 25 wins? or does a perception roll of 25 set the target for sleight of hand to hit so a 25 succeeds on slight of hand?

[TriOmegaZero]

Using Skills wrote:

When making an opposed skill check, the attempt is successful if your check result exceeds the result of the target.

Your Perception check must be higher than the enemies Sleight of Hand/Stealth. Equaling their check is a failure.

[Ughbash]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Using Skills wrote:

When making an opposed skill check, the attempt is successful if your check result exceeds the result of the target.

Your Perception check must be higher than the enemies Sleight of Hand/Stealth. Equaling their check is a failure.

Yes but... Does that mean to sneak past the guard the assassin must beat his Perception skill to succeed in stealth?

So if the Assassin is Sneaking he must beat the guards perception, but if the guard is looking for the assassin he has to beat the Assassins stealth.

My problem is I can see the contest being either side as trying to beat the others skill and in the case of a tie who was trying to beat who?

[TriOmegaZero]

Whomever is forcing the check to be made is the target.

No one would be making a Perception check if the assassin wasn’t trying to hide.

Edit: I suppose the GM could always rule “the players are always the target” or vice versa depending who they want to have the advantage.

[bbangerter]

In stealth vs perception, your not trying to beat their perception roll. They are trying to beat your stealth roll. You stealth first, then they try to spot you.

Similarly in bluff vs sense motive, first you make a bluff attempt, then they try to detect the lie.

But all that said, I think the "exceed the number" is a little weird. All other things are greater than or equal to. You need to >= AC, CMD, Concentration check, Spell Resistance, Saving throw, etc. It seems if I make a stealth check, basically what I've done is set the DC for a successful perception check. But based on the wording it's setting a DC + 1.

[David knott 242]

In each case described here, one check is made to set the DC of a check made by the other. Whoever is ruled to be the second party wins ties.

If the opposed check is actually a contest among equal participants doing the same thing, a tied set of rolls would actually be a tied result.