I've got a question about plant creatures like Bloodlash Bush, Snapping Flytrap and Vine Lasher.
They are listed as having "tremorsense (imprecise) 30 feet". Does that mean they don't have normal sight, and have to make a flat check of 11+ to hit and do damage?
If they don't have eyes, it's not listed as such on their stat blocks.
Creatures that don't have vision tend to have that noted in their profile.
Bloodlash bush and the others don't seem to have that tacked onto their profile, so they would have some form of "normal" sight. They just also have Tremorsense, and it is imprecise.
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Creepy - plant creatures with eyes.
Thanks, Beowulf.
That's right as beowulff99 explained. Every creature has normal vision (unless anything else stated, like Oozes) and they have in addition to it those extra senses, such as tremorsense.
You can also watch/listen the beginning of this podcast (Roll for Combat) where they give an explanation received from Mark Seifter (Paizo Designer) about this very issue.
Here you have the link:
https://youtu.be/hVabUZPcqc8?list=PLqYTyDKiKfRyIQQIh1N0jn5IIswRQ8zqM
Pepor, I recall having listened to that some weeks or months ago, and that's what prompted my question.
According to this podcast, the Bloodlash bush has *only* this imprecise tremorsense, and hence all of its attacks should have a 50% miss chance (flat check of 11+). The same would be the case for other similar plant creatures - IF they don't have sight.
So on one hand, we have this Roll for Combat podcast that attributes their source as Mark Seifter, saying that all such attacks require an 11+ flat check.
On the other hand, we have the example of ooze creatures that specify "no vision", while these plant creatures have no such specification. So no flat check would be necessary.
I'm playing a playtest session of "Pirates and Plunder, episode 3" in a few hours, so it looks like I'll be needing to make a DM call on this. Eyes or no eyes?
Just quite the opposite. According to this podcast, what he says in the beginning of it and what Mark Seifter told him is that every creature has normal vision (unless anything else stated, like Oozes) and, they have in addition to it those extra senses, such as tremorsense. So NO 11+ flat check.
They have some sort of eyes (precise sense) plus tremorsense (imprecise).