Strange wording with Ghoulish Cravings


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Ghoulish Cravings

As written, it seems like if the target dies to the damage or to unrelated causes before the disease reaches its final stage, that the target doesn't turn into a ghoul. This doesn't feel intended. Do diseases continue to progress on corpses?


Salamileg wrote:
As written, it seems like if the target dies to the damage or to unrelated causes before the disease reaches its final stage, that the target doesn't turn into a ghoul. This doesn't feel intended. Do diseases continue to progress on corpses?

Pretty sure afflictions all stop when you die (unless one says otherwise, of course).

As I read it, what turns you into a ghoul is the "steadily decreasing connection to positive energy"; as long as that remains you're safe from undeath. So the victim needs a certain strength of body to bear the incidental damage long enough for the positive connection to wither away. If they don't last that long, the corpse is too positive-affiliated to rise, and their spirit escapes to the Boneyard.

That does mean that suicide may well be a viable option for someone who really doesn't want to become a ghoul---if the victim (or a friend) has made their Medicine check (or id'd the spell) to recognize what's happening to them and where it's going. My guess is most victims don't know what's happening, just that they've been cursed.


stays true to zombie films that they suicide before turning to zombies...

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I'm not sure; it does appear to be so, since the rules don't mention anything about dying before the last stage of an affliction. Yet it would be weird if most diseases just stop or go latent the second you die. I think RAI is that if you die from damage before the final stage, you immediately advance to the final stage. That is just my interpretation, however. It'd great to have this issue clarified in FAQ or Errata.

Silver Crusade

Asgetrion wrote:
Yet it would be weird if most diseases just stop or go latent the second you die.

Why?

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Rysky wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Yet it would be weird if most diseases just stop or go latent the second you die.
Why?

Er, because my understanding is that contagious diseases such as Ebola and Bubonic Plague don't just vanish or stop affecting you when you die. Let's say there's a disease that will eventually make your body swollen and explode in a shower of gore; I think it should do so even if you die before the "final stage".

Silver Crusade

Asgetrion wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Yet it would be weird if most diseases just stop or go latent the second you die.
Why?
Er, because my understanding is that contagious diseases such as Ebola and Bubonic Plague don't just vanish or stop affecting you when you die. Let's say there's a disease that will eventually make your body swollen and explode in a shower of gore; I think it should do so even if you die before the "final stage".

You remain a carrier for the disease but I don't think they keep advancing once necrosis sets in.

Dark Archive

Rysky wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Yet it would be weird if most diseases just stop or go latent the second you die.
Why?
Er, because my understanding is that contagious diseases such as Ebola and Bubonic Plague don't just vanish or stop affecting you when you die. Let's say there's a disease that will eventually make your body swollen and explode in a shower of gore; I think it should do so even if you die before the "final stage".
You remain a carrier for the disease but I don't think they keep advancing once necrosis sets in.

I'm not a doctor or even well-versed in the subject, so you are probably right. But I think this kind of defeats the whole purpose of how Ghoul Fever and other such diseases progressed in PF1, i.e. only "tough" NPCs may become ghouls or ghasts. I'd prefer everyone who dies becoming a ghoul if you are unfortunate enough to catch it. This may be an intentional design choice, however, to tone down the sheer amount of zombies, ghouls, ghasts and other such creatures in the world. :)

By the way, what happens if you become Drained 4 and your max. HP would fall to 0? Do you become comatose?


Asgetrion wrote:
By the way, what happens if you become Drained 4 and your max. HP would fall to 0? Do you become comatose?

If you manage to get over your dying condition, basically.

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