So I had a crazy idea the other day: Ratfolk with one of the archetypes that lets you divide your effective Druid levels for an Animal Companion between multiple animal companions, with 4 Giant Snapping Turtle Animal Companions.
Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, so they’d be 1/4 effective Druid level + 4, for their Animal Companion stats, but after that, I’m afraid that I’ll fall behind, because at 20th level, they’d be the equivalent of an Animal Companion of a Druid of level 9, which means they would be next to useless.
EDIT: This is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I’m playing as Master Splinter, and the Animal Companions are the TMNT.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats.
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Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it.
Alas I think your hd cap is your animal companion's hd cap, now if I'm wrong consider the half orc beast rider feat for another 2 hd of animal companions. But I'm pretty sure both boon and beast rider are for helping multi classing.
But yes in most cases animal companions do grow weaker at later levels and that's before you divide there hd as you plan to, I've never felt it's really worth it.
There are better leadership archetypes or prestige classes if you want extra characters but honestly it's a lot of work for games masters to balance games in these cases and for you in paper work, oh and keep in mind it can drag games out making it more a war game than a roleplay game and in this diminish other players involvement in the game.
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Lord Monty wrote: Alas I think your hd cap is your animal companion's hd cap, now if I'm wrong consider the half orc beast rider feat for another 2 hd of animal companions. But I'm pretty sure both boon and beast rider are for helping multi classing.
But yes in most cases animal companions do grow weaker at later levels and that's before you divide there hd as you plan to, I've never felt it's really worth it.
There are better leadership archetypes or prestige classes if you want extra characters but honestly it's a lot of work for games masters to balance games in these cases and for you in paper work, oh and keep in mind it can drag games out making it more a war game than a roleplay game and in this diminish other players involvement in the game.
Maybe I should have been clear. This is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I’m playing as Master Splinter, and my 4 Giant Snapping Turtle Animal Companions are the TMNT. So the only thing that works for this concept (as far as I know) is Ratfolk with an archetype to divide effective Druid levels between multiple Animal Companions.
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Do they all have to be animal companions? If you're looking at L20 stats then I'd think you're starting with a few levels under your belt. Maybe enough for the leadership feat or the awaken spell to be options.
avr wrote: Do they all have to be animal companions? If you're looking at L20 stats then I'd think you're starting with a few levels under your belt. Maybe enough for the leadership feat or the awaken spell to be options. I completely forgot about Awaken; that could work. And it would allow me to be a Ninja instead. And then the turtles could take levels in Ninja as well. Okay, thank you. I’ll have to work this out with the GM though. I’ll ask him if everyone can get a turtle to control as a secondary character, since I think that would be the easiest, control wise, and the most likely scenario for him to agree to.
You could also buy 4 homunculus and just give them some turtle armor. If you raise their HD they qualify for a size increase, so making them at least 5 HD and they could be medium sized.
Negotiate with your GM for a way to make Anthropomorphic Animal Instantaneous duration, or at least for some other, similar effect that won't go down the drain the first time Dispel Magic is used.
Use Downtime to turn them into level 1 Commoners by spending 70 gp and 0 days to make them into a team of Laborers. Then 1 day and another 100 gp to upgrade them to Guards and become level 1 Warriors. Then another 2 days and 220 gp to upgrade them to Soldiers. Then another 5 days and 330 gp to upgrade them to Elite Soldiers and become level 3 Warriors. That's 720 gp and 8 days. If the GM required you to treat each one individually like its own team, that'd cost 2880 and add on 3 days to the process to make 11.
Then top it off by begging and pleading with your GM to let you upgrade them to Craftspeople for 2 days and 200 gp so that they can become Expert 4. That would bump things up to 920 gp and 10 days. 3680 gp and 12 days if you had to do them individually.
After that, use Retraining to spend 3 days per NPC level to convert it into a PC level. So either 9 days and 1080 gp (270 gp per turtle) or 12 days and 1920 gp (480 gp per turtle). Or up to 1.5x higher, which I'd consider to be fairly likely if a GM allowed you to do this. So that would be 1620 gp for the 9 day version and 2880 gp for the 12 day version.
Total cost: 6560 gp or lower and 24 days or fewer for 4 level 4 Ninja Turtles. (10,400 gp would be the price cap if you had to train them as teams individually, had to pay 1.5x the cost for Retraining, and had to spend the full 7 days for non-synergy class level retraining instead of 3 days for NPC to PC class level retraining)
Those levels would be on top of their RHD, too. Which would be 8 HD for a Druid 9's animal companion or 11 HD for an actual Gargantuan-sized Giant Snapping Turtle. So either 11 or 12 HD for the Animal Companion version or 14 to 15 HD for the no-longer an animal companion version due to having been Awakened.
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Alternatively, with a Leadership score of 25, you could have 4 Followers that are level 4. If you didn't care about them all being the same level, you could have a level 6, a level 5, and 2 level 4s at a Leadership score of 21.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Boon Companion is literally in the list of feats it talks about. So you are wrong.
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It's not four animal companions, but:
The courtly hunter 16/cavalier 4 with Skill Focus (any one Knowledge skill), Eldritch Heritage (Arcane), Boon Companion (on the courtly companion), Horse Master, and Leadership (or Recruits) would have:
A full power courtly companion
A full power mount from a limited list
A familiar as an 18th level sorcerer*
A cohort (at either -2 or -6 to the Leadership Score, depending on whether or not the GM stacks the penalty for each "pet")
You could also add VMC summoner for a weakened eidolon on top of that, for four "pets" and a cohort (possibly at -8 to the Leadership Score); five total secondary characters, all rules legal (outside of PFS, at least). You'd have no other available feats, other than a bonus feat at 1st level from race and/or any from class features, though; a human with the Focused Study alternate racial trait would gain two additional Skill Focus feats (at 8th and 16th) and still have their 1st level feat available.
Alternately, a summoner 20 (VMC druid) with Skill Focus (any one Knowledge skill), Eldritch Heritage (Arcane), and Leadership (or Recruits) would have:
A full power eidolon
A full power animal companion
A familiar as an 18th level sorcerer*
A cohort (as above)
*- using a feat on Boon Companion on the familiar for +1 natural armor and +1 Int isn't worth it, IMO
Lord Monty wrote: Alas I think your hd cap is your animal companion's hd cap, now if I'm wrong consider the half orc beast rider feat for another 2 hd of animal companions. But I'm pretty sure both boon and beast rider are for helping multi classing.
But yes in most cases animal companions do grow weaker at later levels and that's before you divide there hd as you plan to, I've never felt it's really worth it.
There are better leadership archetypes or prestige classes if you want extra characters but honestly it's a lot of work for games masters to balance games in these cases and for you in paper work, oh and keep in mind it can drag games out making it more a war game than a roleplay game and in this diminish other players involvement in the game.
Your animal companion can have more HD than you do. This is evident by the fact that a normal 1st level druid starts with a 2 HD animal companion. I've scoured the rules looking for some indication of how many HD your animal companion is allowed to have. The closest I could find was an confirmed rule in 3.5 that stated that an animal companion could not have more HD then it's master+1.
All that being said, boon companion and beast rider state that these feats can't raise your animal companion's effective druid level higher than your character level.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Boon Companion is literally in the list of feats it talks about. So you are wrong. No, you aren't actually reading what's written, but the forum has ate this post 3 times and im tired of trying to prove a point. If your GM allows it, good for you.
Ok so splinter and turtles... there is only one effective way but it's cheese and only lvl15+
Noble scion prestige cheese is possible... but dear lord it's filthy.
At 15th level you can have 5(any class) and 10 noble scion and then a same level cohort... that cohort can do the same and his cohort and his cohort... and so on.
Upside you can build from the ground up and heck even use the race building rules to make a turtles specie and first five levels can be ninja, but honestly it's game breaking and hard work. Could have splinter/shredder from lvl7 when you get the greater leadership and then get the 4 turtles at 15th.
But honestly just make a party of 5 heroes and role play them with an agreeable games master, the effort to twist the rules won't ever allow you eventually to get 5 good characterful ninjas otherwise.
Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Boon Companion is literally in the list of feats it talks about. So you are wrong. No, you aren't actually reading what's written, but the forum has ate this post 3 times and im tired of trying to prove a point. If your GM allows it, good for you. Sorry, but you are the one who isn’t reading what is written. Boon Companion is a feat Animal Companions can take now. You are welcome to houserule it differently, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Boon Companion is literally in the list of feats it talks about. So you are wrong. No, you aren't actually reading what's written, but the forum has ate this post 3 times and im tired of trying to prove a point. If your GM allows it, good for you. Sorry, but you are the one who isn’t reading what is written. Boon Companion is a feat Animal Companions can take now. You are welcome to houserule it differently, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now. Boon companion doesn't have animal companion as a requirement, it has animal companion class feature. All the other feats listed under the heading have BEING an animal complanion, not HAVING one. I even quoted the part you misquoted
Boon Companion
The feat is definitely looking for a class feature. Animal Companions and Familiars don't have class features, since they don't have a class.
In fairness though you can take the feat 4 times once for each turtle you just need to be frugal with your feats for the main character.
Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Name Violation wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Pan, definitely not a Kitsune wrote: Reksew_Trebla wrote: Obviously I’d have all 4 of them take Boon Companion due to Ultimate Wilderness making that an option now, […] Huh?
I see nothing about them being able to take Boon Companion. You'd have to take it, and four times at that, which… would be a lot of feats. Ultimate Wilderness says your Animal Companion can take any feat that requires an Animal Companion, and apply it to themselves as though the master took it. Actually it doesn't
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.Boon Companion
But boon companion has Prerequisite: Animal companion class feature or familiar class feature.
Vs the other listed feats listing Prerequisites: Animal companion, devotion special ability.
It doesn't list animal companion, it lists animal companion class feature. Different things.
Boon Companion is literally in the list of feats it talks about. So you are wrong. No, you aren't actually reading what's written, but the forum has ate this post 3 times and im tired of trying to prove a point. If your GM allows it, good for you. Sorry, but you are the one who isn’t reading what is written. Boon Companion is a feat Animal Companions can take now. You are welcome to houserule it differently, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now. Boon companion doesn't have animal companion as a requirement, it has animal companion class feature. All the other feats listed under the heading have BEING an animal complanion, not HAVING one. I even quoted the part you misquoted The text says the feats listed below can be taken. Boon Companion is listed below.
Meirril wrote: Boon Companion
The feat is definitely looking for a class feature. Animal Companions and Familiars don't have class features, since they don't have a class.
Animal Companions can take feats that require having an Animal Companion despite not having an Animal Companion. Ultimate Wilderness says this. So either that entire section was a waste and not applicable, or the prerequisite of having an Animal Companion (which includes the class feature) doesn’t matter.
Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
The turtles may not take boon companion. It is against the rules.
Pages 217 and 218.
Cavall wrote: Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
The turtles may not take boon companion. It is against the rules.
Pages 217 and 218.
All the feats listed below can be taken. This is a fact. Boon Companion is listed below. It is literally the first feat listed. Quit f!$&ing trolling people.
Animal companion is not the same as animal companion class feature.
One means you are. The other means you have one.
Not a single thing in the word for word quote says you may take boon companion. It is listed under a different section of feats and has a different prerequisite. Only in purposely ignoring parts of the prereqs does one reach the incorrect conclusion an animal companion counts as having the class creature animal companion. It does not. Nor does the section I word for word quoted allow for it.
Splinter may however take the feat 4 times.
Ultimate Wilderness p. 217 wrote: As they grow in strength and experience, animal companions and mounts develop mutations, personality quirks, and tricks that grant them new abilities unlike those seen in typical animals of their kind. The following feats can be chosen by characters with the animal companion or by companions themselves, as indicated in each feat’s prerequisite line.
An animal companion or mount can select from the feats listed below that include “animal companion” as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal feats on page 53 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
So, the paragraph above explains that the following lists contain feats that can be taken by the character or the animal companion, as per the feat's requirements.
Archives of Nethys (which is an official source) has the revised Animal Feat list(found at the bottom of the page linked). Said feat list does not include boon companion. So no, animal companions can not take the feat boon companion and have it apply to themselves.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Cavall wrote: Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
The turtles may not take boon companion. It is against the rules.
Pages 217 and 218.
All the feats listed below can be taken. This is a fact. Boon Companion is listed below. It is literally the first feat listed. Quit f!$&ing trolling people. Incorrect. "All feats below that list animal companion as a prereq" count. Boon companion does NOT.
That isnt a troll. I own the book. I typed word for word what it says.
Boon Companion is listed in the section labeled “Companion Feats” on Page 217. If it is not a feat that can be taken, it wouldn’t be there. This is a fact. I will no longer respond to any further trolling here. Again, you are welcome to houserule it otherwise, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now.
Below companion feats.
"The following feats can be chosen by characters with the animal companion or by companions themselves, as indicated in each feat’s prerequisite line."
It is indicated otherwise to your opinion. This isnt a house rule. It is the direct quote you're skipping.
You being corrected isnt trolling. It is people trying to correct you.
Please realize you're incorrect and adjust. People cant help you of you take all advice and corrections this poorly.
Cavall wrote: Below companion feats.
"The following feats can be chosen by characters with the animal companion or by companions themselves, as indicated in each feat’s prerequisite line."
It is indicated otherwise to your opinion. This isnt a house rule. It is the direct quote you're skipping.
You being corrected isnt trolling. It is people trying to correct you.
Please realize you're incorrect and adjust. People cant help you of you take all advice and corrections this poorly.
I will no longer respond to any further trolling here. Again, you are welcome to houserule it otherwise, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now.
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Reksew_Trebla wrote: Cavall wrote: Below companion feats.
"The following feats can be chosen by characters with the animal companion or by companions themselves, as indicated in each feat’s prerequisite line."
It is indicated otherwise to your opinion. This isnt a house rule. It is the direct quote you're skipping.
You being corrected isnt trolling. It is people trying to correct you.
Please realize you're incorrect and adjust. People cant help you of you take all advice and corrections this poorly.
I will no longer respond to any further trolling here. Again, you are welcome to houserule it otherwise, but it is a houserule, and I’m not looking for houserules right now. Except you are misinterpreting what is written. We are genuinely trying to help. The only trolling happening is saying everything that disagrees with your interpretation is a house rule.
Your interpretation says a level 5 packlord druid can have 5 level 5 companions and all still have all their feats, just having each companion take boon companion. Which just isn't how it works.
Cavall wrote: Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
Huh. Weird. Is there any indication why Boon Companion is even listed, being it's the sole exception?
Coidzor wrote: Cavall wrote: Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
Huh. Weird. Is there any indication why Boon Companion is even listed, being it's the sole exception? That whole book is full of errors. Look at the shifter class. UW had a lot of neat ideas, but was released without a thorough read threw. That's why there's some errata and requests for a ton more
If your GM is fine with you controlling 25 HD worth of creatures at level five go nuts.
But a rules interpretation that makes a fifth level Packlord Druids essentially as strong as an entire party of level five adventurers is extremely suspicious.
Coidzor wrote: Cavall wrote: Well. I own the damn book. Let's read.
"An animal companion or mount can select from the feats below that include 'animal companion' as a prerequisite as if it appeared on the list of animal deaths on page 53 of the corebook"
Ok.
Then theres a list of feats, all of which say "animal companion". Except one. Boon companion says "animal companion or familiar class feature".
But to make it even clearer there is a giant fable on page 218. There are 2 groups.
Animal companion feat
(This includes all the feats listed except one)
And General Feat
(This has only one.)
General feats lists boon companion. The rest are animal companion feats.
Huh. Weird. Is there any indication why Boon Companion is even listed, being it's the sole exception? Well this goes back to the table again with its 2 headings, general feats and companion feats.
It's basically saying "here's feats animal companions can take themselves, and here is a feat you can take FOR your companion."
Which makes total sense as to why you would have them in the same section of the book, and the book goes out of its way to say "can be taken by companions or characters check each prereq".
I disagree with Name Violation in that it's a mistake. I honestly think it's simply grouping a single feat together with some others to make it convenient. I'd certainly like if I took longsword up to have a book that listed all the feats that I could take with that, impractical as it would be for length. This is simply grouping to keep from page turning.
But given that the book says "check each feat" indicates there must be at least ONE feat that can not be taken by companions. And in fact there is just that one. The only one listed alone in the table on the next page and the only one that says it's a class feature.
Animal companions do not have the class feature. They are not a class. They are not valid.
And yeah I'll just keep saying it for people that want the actual rule. Being told I'm trolling for giving what's word for word in the book is just denial. But I would rather people that read the thread knew the right of it rather than think it was the other incorrect way.
Reksew_Trebla wrote: Meirril wrote: Boon Companion
The feat is definitely looking for a class feature. Animal Companions and Familiars don't have class features, since they don't have a class.
Animal Companions can take feats that require having an Animal Companion despite not having an Animal Companion. Ultimate Wilderness says this. So either that entire section was a waste and not applicable, or the prerequisite of having an Animal Companion (which includes the class feature) doesn’t matter. Being not having.
And it does specifically say check each feat in the section to know which is which. So either that sentence is a waste or this is a misinterpretation.
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