Toothy Menhir Guardian


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So let's say I have a Half-Orc Menhir Guardian Monk who also has IUS and the Toothy alternate racial trait giving her a bite attack. My attack options at first level would seem to be:

  • Claw, Claw, Bite as 3 Primary Natural Attacks at full BAB (+0 at 1st, of course)
  • IUS at full BAB and Claw, Claw, Bite each at -5
  • Flurry of Blows for two attacks with either my claws or a weapon for an effective -1 (+1 monk level, -2 per Flurry) on both attacks, no bite

Is all that correct? It seems to me like Flurry is flatly worse than the first option, and possibly worse than the second as well. At 5th maybe it catches up to the first option as my relative BAB drops compared to an UnMonk or a full martial character, but for the first 4 levels it seems like I wouldn't have much reason to use the Monk's signature ability with this character. Am I missing something or is all that pretty much correct?


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Nope, everything sounds correct. Only at 6th level is it beneficial to use Flurry for your character.

Considering the annoyingly many archetypes that leave you with abilities that you can't use at all (like Metamaorph Alchemist's Brew Potion, or Master of Many Styles Monk's bonus ki attack), it's not that bad in comparison.

The real question is why it isn't aviable to unchained Monk. The answer is probably that Paizo had already stopped caring about PF1 at that point, and so no one looked over what garbage the writers handed in.

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