Darkness mid - late game

[Atalius]

Anyone have any experience with the Darkness spell and Deeper Darkness into the mid-late game say level 12+. How many enemies at that level have darkvision? Most? Is there anyway to make this spell viable into the late game? Thanks all looking forward to hearing from all of you.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

Deeper Darkness doesn't care about Darkvision. You'd need to either cast Daylight/Dispel Magic, or possess the See in Darkness Universal Monster Ability, or some other sort of senses, to counter it

[Moonclanger]

It depends on the campaign. One adventure path I played in took place mostly out of doors and featured a lot of human enemies. A common tactic at higher levels was to cast Darkvision on all party members (using a wand) and then cast Deeper Darkness on an object carried by the caster. Normal light became darkness; we could all see but our enemies couldn't.

[Atalius]

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Deeper Darkness doesn't care about Darkvision. You'd need to either cast Daylight/Dispel Magic, or possess the See in Darkness Universal Monster Ability, or some other sort of senses, to counter it

Ohh didn't know that. How do I see when I cast deeper darkness then? Lol

[Moonclanger]

Atalius wrote:

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Deeper Darkness doesn't care about Darkvision. You'd need to either cast Daylight/Dispel Magic, or possess the See in Darkness Universal Monster Ability, or some other sort of senses, to counter it

Ohh didn't know that. How do I see when I cast deeper darkness then? Lol

Darksol isn't entirely correct. Deeper Darkness works like this:

"This spell functions as darkness, except that objects radiate darkness in a 60-foot radius and the light level is lowered by two steps. Bright light becomes dim light and normal light becomes darkness. Areas of dim light and darkness become supernaturally dark. This functions like darkness, but even creatures with darkvision cannot see within the spell's confines."

So Deeper Darkness only creates an area of supernatural darkness if the ambient light level is dim or darker. In which case you need something like True Seeing to see through it.

In the example I described in my first post we used Deeper Darkness outside in the day time, so the light level was only reduced to darkness, meaning darkvision could pierce it.

[Atalius]

Thanks ya that's how I thought it worked. Any idea what percentage of enemies have darkvision past level 12? I'm thinking 75% ish?

[Atalius]

I guess I would need to run a knowledge check before dropping darkness in a fight