N N 959 wrote: Scott Wilhelm wrote: Well, he brought the evidence, and I can finally abandon this
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That's great to hear, not because I had an opinion about the rules, but because it means that you did not become emotionally wedded to your view point. When interpreting the rules and taking a position, I try position myself so that if the rules clearly say I'm wrong, I'll be able to acknowledge that and move on.
This is doubly helpful given the PDT can and has made rulings that have had no basis in rules logic or consistency and I've had to abandon a previously held understanding. In general, my position is that I don't care what the rules are: I just want to know what the rules are, and/or I am reporting on what the rules are.
With this particular rules point, was less my sexy bride, and more a dessicated albatross that hung around my neck. When the OP asked the question again, I was dreading the answer I was going to give because of the verbal abuse I was going to face for speaking out about my beliefs. I'm happier knowing I'm wrong. If I believe I'm right, I have to stand up for what I think is right.
Scott Wilhelm wrote: Kristal Moonhand wrote: Anyone can combine iterative attacks and nat attacks. What you can't do is have unarmed strikes be part of a natural attack combo. They might count as natural attacks for certain things, but they don't have a primary or secondary signifier, nor are they ever called out as actually being natural attacks that can be used in a combo. You can totally combine natural and manufactured weapons in the same Full Attack Action. There are certain problems with it: you can't swing a sword and make a Claw Attack with the same hand, for instance, but you can certainly swing a sword and make a Bite Attack with the same Full Attack Action. I don't have time to cite chapter and verse right now, but honestly, a brief look at the Natural Attacks Universal Monster Rules will demonstrate that this is correct. Thank you for vehemently agreeing with me. A natural attack combo is when all of your primary nat attacks are counted as primary, instead of having all your nat attacks counted as secondary when combined with your iterative attacks. AKA, when you don't use your iteratives.
Kristal Moonhand wrote: Scott Wilhelm wrote: Kristal Moonhand wrote: Anyone can combine iterative attacks and nat attacks. What you can't do is have unarmed strikes be part of a natural attack combo. They might count as natural attacks for certain things, but they don't have a primary or secondary signifier, nor are they ever called out as actually being natural attacks that can be used in a combo. You can totally combine natural and manufactured weapons in the same Full Attack Action. There are certain problems with it: you can't swing a sword and make a Claw Attack with the same hand, for instance, but you can certainly swing a sword and make a Bite Attack with the same Full Attack Action. I don't have time to cite chapter and verse right now, but honestly, a brief look at the Natural Attacks Universal Monster Rules will demonstrate that this is correct. Thank you for vehemently agreeing with me. A natural attack combo is when all of your primary nat attacks are counted as primary, instead of having all your nat attacks counted as secondary when combined with your iterative attacks. AKA, when you don't use your iteratives. At this point, it seems like any disagreement we have is just a definition-of-terms disagreement that I don't have a problem with conceding to you.
If I understand you correctly, you are defining a Natural Attack Combo as a Full Attack Action that consists exclusively of Natural Attacks. I will try to remember and respect your definition.
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