I think the ridiculousness of the only viable option highlights my point very well.Low level characters are kind of meant to suck.
And I say again: The ridiculousness of the response highlights my point.
Why would Large characters find 10' wide doors a problem? A Large character does not, by default, take up more than a 5' square.
from page 5 “A creature’s size determines its space and reach”
Then every large race “Dragonkin are Large dragons with a space and reach of 10 feet.“
The idea behind a Dragonkin seems to be that it is be a large blocker. The Dragon gets between ranged party members and opponents try to close to melee. Dragonkin are large, hard to get around and have a 15 foot range for an AoO. That reach means that they can use a Dragonglaive like a ranged weapon in close quarter fighting. The breath weapon complicates attempts to move around the dragon and offers an option if several weak opponents end up bunched up in front of the Dragonkin.
Completely missed the point EVERY large race is 4 squares, or 10 feet.
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As far as the whole racial penalties thing, unless you're playing SF Society, you can just nab one of the pre-built "ability quick picks" which disregard racial bonuses and penalties and just hand you a stat layout. Which, you know...is a bit more boring, but it means you can make a roided-out ysoki without any issues...
^ This to me would make more sense...
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You are going all the way back to D&D 3.0 for the creatures taking up 2 squares. In Pathfinder (and D&D 3.5, from which it was derived), all creatures from size Small on up occupy square spaces in which they can turn freely. The only remaining distinction between Long and Tall creatures is that the Tall creatures (usually) have a greater reach at any given size.
For a citation, just page through the Alien Archive or any Pathfinder Bestiary.
Which, you know...is a bit more boring, but it means you can make a roided-out ysoki without any issues...
I made a ysoki soldier who is as strong as the strongest vesk at ALL levels, using the point buy method, and I didn't have any issues whatsoever. So I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Completely missed the point EVERY large race is 4 squares, or 10 feet.Cite? Because I recall that in Pathfinder at least, Large races came in two varieties: Tall, who took up one square ( but who couldn't share squares like M races ), and Long, who take up two. You had to hit Huge before you took up four full squares.
I realize this is late but, you recall wrong. 3.5 had tall, Pathfinder did away with it.
Completely missed the point EVERY large race is 4 squares, or 10 feet.Cite? Because I recall that in Pathfinder at least, Large races came in two varieties: Tall, who took up one square ( but who couldn't share squares like M races ), and Long, who take up two. You had to hit Huge before you took up four full squares.
Table 8–1: Creature Size on page 256
Size Height or Length Weight Space Reach (tall) (long)
Large 8–16 ft. 500 lbs.–2 tons 10 ft. 10 ft. 5 ft.
looking at dates I am necroing a bit apologies. I didnt notice the difference in time till after I did the work then I wanted to share anyway
Large creatures have never taken up just one square, always 2x2, in every edition of D&D, Pathfinder, or Starfinder that I can recall.
Large creatures have never taken up just one square, always 2x2, in every edition of D&D, Pathfinder, or Starfinder that I can recall.
In D&D 3.0, Large/Long creatures did take up 1x2 spaces. By the time they got to the 3.5 revision, they realized that non-square spaces conflicted with the "no facing" assumption and eliminated non-square spacing like this.
Large creatures have never taken up just one square, always 2x2, in every edition of D&D, Pathfinder, or Starfinder that I can recall.In D&D 3.0, Large/Long creatures did take up 1x2 spaces. By the time they got to the 3.5 revision, they realized that non-square spaces conflicted with the "no facing" assumption and eliminated non-square spacing like this.
Now that you mention it, I do recall mount spaces being portrayed that way in 3rd Edition.
That was the only time I ever saw it though.