Can a 4th level myrmidarch magus do:
1) Ranged spellstrike of a shocking grasp?
2) Ranged spellstrike scorching ray?
Ranged Spellstrike (Su): At 4th level, a myrmidarch can
use spellstrike to cast a single-target touch attack ranged
spell and deliver it through a ranged weapon attack. Even if
the spell can normally affect multiple targets, only a single
missile, ray, or effect accompanies the attack.
At 11th level, a myrmidarch using a multiple-target
spell with this ability may deliver one ray or line of effect
with each attack when using a full-attack action, up to
the maximum allowed by the spell (in the case of ray
effects). Any effects not used in the round the spell is cast
are lost. This ability replaces spell recall and improved
spell recall.
Thank you.
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Can a 4th level myrmidarch magus do:
1) Ranged spellstrike of a shocking grasp?
2) Ranged spellstrike scorching ray?** spoiler omitted **
Thank you.
1) No, since grasp is not a ranged touch spell
2) Sure. It's a ray afterall. Naturally you can't use more than one ray until level 11th as per the class feature description.
Can a 4th level myrmidarch magus do:
1) Ranged spellstrike of a shocking grasp?
2) Ranged spellstrike scorching ray?** spoiler omitted **
Thank you.
1) No, since grasp is not a ranged touch spell
2) Sure. It's a ray afterall. Naturally you can't use more than one ray until level 11th as per the class feature description.
That what i first thought but then i reconsidered because of two things:
1) If that's true then the archetype is pretty suckastic because there are very few ranged touch spells in the magus spell list.2) The wording of the ability had me somewhat concerned, specifically the phrase "single-target touch attack ranged spell". what if the word "ranged" wasn't meant to specify the word "spell" but was meant to specify the phrase "touch attack"? meaning that it can be used with spells that require a touch attack to work?
I think that this way makes the archetype useful, instead of barely working as a magus (with the current spell list)
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Can a 4th level myrmidarch magus do:
1) Ranged spellstrike of a shocking grasp?
2) Ranged spellstrike scorching ray?** spoiler omitted **
Thank you.
1) No, since grasp is not a ranged touch spell
2) Sure. It's a ray afterall. Naturally you can't use more than one ray until level 11th as per the class feature description.
That what i first thought but then i reconsidered because of two things:
1) If that's true then the archetype is pretty suckastic because there are very few ranged touch spells in the magus spell list.
2) The wording of the ability had me somewhat concerned, specifically the phrase "single-target touch attack ranged spell". what if the word "ranged" wasn't meant to specify the word "spell" but was meant to specify the phrase "touch attack"? meaning that it can be used with spells that require a touch attack to work?
I think that this way makes the archetype useful, instead of barely working as a magus (with the current spell list)
Maybe you should make a homebrew version of the archetype? I think it is pretty nice, weapon training adds a lot of damage and it's the only way to play an arcane archer(besides the bard) from level one, but certainly it could be more powerful.
And remember, Reach Spell makes melee touch attacks into ranged ones. You can treat it as a feat tax, but it is obvious that devs felt that there should be restrictions to archer magi.
Maybe you should make a homebrew version of the archetype? I think it is pretty nice, weapon training adds a lot of damage and it's the only way to play an arcane archer(besides the bard) from level one, but certainly it could be more powerful.
And remember, Reach Spell makes melee touch attacks into ranged ones. You can treat it as a feat tax, but it is obvious that devs felt that there should be restrictions to archer magi.
Yes but (as you said) it's an arcane archer instead of a magus, due to the very limited spells you can use with ranged spellstrike.
The reach spell isn't truly a solution, not because of the feat tax but because of the extra spell slot needed.Anyway if indeed you (and my first reading) are correct then i would simply house rule it to allow touch attacks to be used, i really don't think that allowing that would unbalance the archetype, on the contrary it would make it not suck.
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Maybe you should make a homebrew version of the archetype? I think it is pretty nice, weapon training adds a lot of damage and it's the only way to play an arcane archer(besides the bard) from level one, but certainly it could be more powerful.
And remember, Reach Spell makes melee touch attacks into ranged ones. You can treat it as a feat tax, but it is obvious that devs felt that there should be restrictions to archer magi.
Yes but (as you said) it's an arcane archer instead of a magus, due to the very limited spells you can use with ranged spellstrike.
The reach spell isn't truly a solution, not because of the feat tax but because of the extra spell slot needed.
Anyway if indeed you (and my first reading) are correct then i would simply house rule it to allow touch attacks to be used, i really don't think that allowing that would unbalance the archetype, on the contrary it would make it not suck.
Yeah, I agree it might be cool to house rule it.