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I'm asking this cos firstly, the Harrow Deck(all versions) is out of print on Paizo's store (as far as googling goes).
Which makes it REALLY weird that a Harrow Deck is still listed as a requirement to use of certain archetypes and feats, like Varisian Pilgrim's lv 8 - Blessing of the Harrow (Su)
Not only must you own the Inner Sea World Guide book/pdf, you must own an out-of-print product to make use of archetype.
Secondly, while there seems to be a couple of copies available else where online, the shipping (to my county) + product cost is way too expensive for a single archetype's ability.
It feels like a uncalled for tax to players who already own the Inner Sea World Guide to hunt down an out of print product like the harrow deck. The AA after all keeps pointing out that "The Harrow deck may be used if it is an actual Harrow deck. Any alternative means to simulate the Harrow deck usage, such as a normal deck of cards or dice, is not legal"
More worryingly! I want to point out that some of these 3rd party sources of the Harrow Deck has forced the prices way high for a copy.
Look at this link Pathfinder Chronicles: Harrow Deck by Paizo Staff
That's $45.00 vs $15.99 for the original.
The Deluxe Harrow Deck version does not currently list a price.
I hope that the Varisian Pilgrim archetype and the Harrow Deck as a requirement for play, can be looked into, so as to give players a fair use of Harrow Deck affected archetypes, abilities etc.
Finally, for the Inner Sea World Guide's cleric archetype - Varisian Pilgrim, it says in the additional resources...
Upon gaining 8th level, the Varisian Pilgrim may gain the 8th-level ability Blessing of the Harrow as long as the player possesses a Harrow deck.
Since this ability is a MAY gain.
Does this means that if I got the PDF for inner sea world guide, but can't afford to get an actual real life harrow deck, my character can ignore the Varisian Pilgrim's lv 8 Blessing of the Harrow and have 2 normal domains instead? (Blessing of the Harrow usually replaces one lv 8 domain power.)Blessing of the Harrow (Su): At 8th level, once per day the pilgrim may perform a harrowing for herself or another creature. This is otherwise identical to the blessing of the harrow from the harrower prestige class (Inner Sea World Guide 276). This replaces an 8th-level domain power of the Varisian pilgrim’s choice.
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The newer Harrow deck is still available.
The old version has been out of print for years, so that drives up the price, because it becomes a "collectible". Don't worry about the weird amazon pricesfor out of print items. The algoritm is clearly broken.
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I was looking into getting a Harrow Deck for a possible Harrowed Society Student (Arcanist archetype) build. Didn't know that the original version is OoP.
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When we opened up the use of Harrow options a few years ago, the Deluxe Harrow Deck was quite new and in good supply. That it is now unavailable on paizo.com is news to me, so I'll need to check with other departments before I can make any statement about how this impacts Pathfinder Society's Harrow spells and abilities.
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check amazon ... when I thought mine had gotten lost I went ant looked there and they had a couple
but yes Delux Harrow Deck lists as unavailable on paizo
the normal one lists as out of print Pathfinder Chronicles: Harrow Deck
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I wish you had just stuck with the original Harrow deck. I liked the artwork and layout better than the "deluxe" deck.
When they first allowed the Harrow stuff with the use of the Deluxe Deck, I asked John on these forums if the original Harrow deck would be okay, and he said it would (or it sounded reasonable).
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I wish you had just stuck with the original Harrow deck. I liked the artwork and layout better than the "deluxe" deck.
Never saw the original, but very disappointed with the artwork on the "deluxe" deck which I purchased. I'd prefer ones that look more like playing cards. These ones distract players when playing the game, and the artwork is confusing for players unfamiliar with the cards.
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When we opened up the use of Harrow options a few years ago, the Deluxe Harrow Deck was quite new and in good supply. That it is now unavailable on paizo.com is news to me, so I'll need to check with other departments before I can make any statement about how this impacts Pathfinder Society's Harrow spells and abilities.
Thank you for looking into this.
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The newer Harrow deck is still available.
The old version has been out of print for years, so that drives up the price, because it becomes a "collectible". Don't worry about the weird amazon pricesfor out of print items. The algoritm is clearly broken.
The link above still works... Deluxe Harrow Deck for $21.17 and free shipping at time of posting.
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US$20.59 at Bookdepository. Free Worldwide shipping!
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US$20.59 at Bookdepository. Free Worldwide shipping!
Thank you! That's perfect for me. Will get it tonight.
Free shipping!
It can be really expensive to ship stuff from Amazon, unless you purchase a certain amount. (Its like $125 worth of purchases for free shipping.)
Thanks again!