Harrow Deck (Out-of-Print) requirement for archetypes in Additional Resources


Pathfinder Society

Lantern Lodge 3/5

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I'm asking this cos firstly, the Harrow Deck(all versions) is out of print on Paizo's store (as far as googling goes).
Which makes it REALLY weird that a Harrow Deck is still listed as a requirement to use of certain archetypes and feats, like Varisian Pilgrim's lv 8 - Blessing of the Harrow (Su)

Not only must you own the Inner Sea World Guide book/pdf, you must own an out-of-print product to make use of archetype.

Secondly, while there seems to be a couple of copies available else where online, the shipping (to my county) + product cost is way too expensive for a single archetype's ability.

It feels like a uncalled for tax to players who already own the Inner Sea World Guide to hunt down an out of print product like the harrow deck. The AA after all keeps pointing out that "The Harrow deck may be used if it is an actual Harrow deck. Any alternative means to simulate the Harrow deck usage, such as a normal deck of cards or dice, is not legal"

More worryingly! I want to point out that some of these 3rd party sources of the Harrow Deck has forced the prices way high for a copy.
Look at this link Pathfinder Chronicles: Harrow Deck by Paizo Staff

That's $45.00 vs $15.99 for the original.
The Deluxe Harrow Deck version does not currently list a price.

I hope that the Varisian Pilgrim archetype and the Harrow Deck as a requirement for play, can be looked into, so as to give players a fair use of Harrow Deck affected archetypes, abilities etc.

Finally, for the Inner Sea World Guide's cleric archetype - Varisian Pilgrim, it says in the additional resources...

Additional Resources wrote:
Upon gaining 8th level, the Varisian Pilgrim may gain the 8th-level ability Blessing of the Harrow as long as the player possesses a Harrow deck.

Since this ability is a MAY gain.

Does this means that if I got the PDF for inner sea world guide, but can't afford to get an actual real life harrow deck, my character can ignore the Varisian Pilgrim's lv 8 Blessing of the Harrow and have 2 normal domains instead? (Blessing of the Harrow usually replaces one lv 8 domain power.)

Varisian Pilgrim wrote:
Blessing of the Harrow (Su): At 8th level, once per day the pilgrim may perform a harrowing for herself or another creature. This is otherwise identical to the blessing of the harrow from the harrower prestige class (Inner Sea World Guide 276). This replaces an 8th-level domain power of the Varisian pilgrim’s choice.

The Exchange 4/5

Was just looking at this an hour ago, so think it means can still take the archetype, just can't use the 8th level ability if don't own the deck. I don't, and didn't even use it when played VP in home game years ago.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Eastern Eurasia-Africa

The newer Harrow deck is still available.

The old version has been out of print for years, so that drives up the price, because it becomes a "collectible". Don't worry about the weird amazon pricesfor out of print items. The algoritm is clearly broken.

Grand Lodge 3/5

I was looking into getting a Harrow Deck for a possible Harrowed Society Student (Arcanist archetype) build. Didn't know that the original version is OoP.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Pathfinder Society Lead Developer

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When we opened up the use of Harrow options a few years ago, the Deluxe Harrow Deck was quite new and in good supply. That it is now unavailable on paizo.com is news to me, so I'll need to check with other departments before I can make any statement about how this impacts Pathfinder Society's Harrow spells and abilities.

Shadow Lodge

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check amazon ... when I thought mine had gotten lost I went ant looked there and they had a couple

but yes Delux Harrow Deck lists as unavailable on paizo

the normal one lists as out of print Pathfinder Chronicles: Harrow Deck

Liberty's Edge Venture-Agent, Online

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I wish you had just stuck with the original Harrow deck. I liked the artwork and layout better than the "deluxe" deck.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 Venture-Captain, Indiana—Northern

Michael Hallet wrote:
I wish you had just stuck with the original Harrow deck. I liked the artwork and layout better than the "deluxe" deck.

When they first allowed the Harrow stuff with the use of the Deluxe Deck, I asked John on these forums if the original Harrow deck would be okay, and he said it would (or it sounded reasonable).

2/5

I believe my FLGS still has one Harrow Deck in stock. I assume it's the deluxe one, since that's newer. (I haven't looked at the deck-related lore/archetypes/etc. enough for it to make my must-own list yet.)

Scarab Sages

Michael Hallet wrote:
I wish you had just stuck with the original Harrow deck. I liked the artwork and layout better than the "deluxe" deck.

Never saw the original, but very disappointed with the artwork on the "deluxe" deck which I purchased. I'd prefer ones that look more like playing cards. These ones distract players when playing the game, and the artwork is confusing for players unfamiliar with the cards.

5/5

The artwork is identical. The layout and card size is different - the original deck were pretty much standard card size, with the Suit symbol on top of the artwork.

I find the wacky artwork very inspiring for creative play, but it's never been to everyone's tastes.

Silver Crusade 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Ohio—Toledo

So any estimates on when the Harrow Deck will be back in stock? It's not available at any of our local stores (I've been looking for months). I'd like to support our local stores, if possible.

Lantern Lodge 3/5

John Compton wrote:
When we opened up the use of Harrow options a few years ago, the Deluxe Harrow Deck was quite new and in good supply. That it is now unavailable on paizo.com is news to me, so I'll need to check with other departments before I can make any statement about how this impacts Pathfinder Society's Harrow spells and abilities.

Thank you for looking into this.

Scarab Sages

Majuba wrote:
I find the wacky artwork very inspiring for creative play, but it's never been to everyone's tastes.

I don't mind the humor, but it's obscure humor, which often requires explaination if a non-RPG player views them (like my Mom).

Lantern Lodge 3/5

Has there been any update on the Harrow decks availability/requirement?

Grand Lodge

I found this it today on Amazon.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Eastern Eurasia-Africa

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Auke Teeninga wrote:

The newer Harrow deck is still available.

The old version has been out of print for years, so that drives up the price, because it becomes a "collectible". Don't worry about the weird amazon pricesfor out of print items. The algoritm is clearly broken.

The link above still works... Deluxe Harrow Deck for $21.17 and free shipping at time of posting.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Eastern Eurasia-Africa

US$20.59 at Bookdepository. Free Worldwide shipping!

Lantern Lodge 3/5

Auke Teeninga wrote:
US$20.59 at Bookdepository. Free Worldwide shipping!

Thank you! That's perfect for me. Will get it tonight.

Free shipping!

It can be really expensive to ship stuff from Amazon, unless you purchase a certain amount. (Its like $125 worth of purchases for free shipping.)

Thanks again!

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