How does the Toughness feat work in Pathfinder?
The feat says: "Benefit: You gain +3 hit points plus 1 hit point per Hit Die. Every time you gain a level or gain Hit Dice, you gain +1 hit points."
Consider a 3rd level elven wizard taking the feat. How many hit points does he get?
3 - because you gain three when taking the feat, or
4 - because he just gained a level, and therefore gets 3+1 hp, or
6 - because his hit die is 3 from his character level?
I'd say 3 but I might be mistaken.
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How does the Toughness feat work in Pathfinder?
The feat says: "Benefit: You gain +3 hit points plus 1 hit point per Hit Die. Every time you gain a level or gain Hit Dice, you gain +1 hit points."
Consider a 3rd level elven wizard taking the feat. How many hit points does he get?
3 - because you gain three when taking the feat, or
4 - because he just gained a level, and therefore gets 3+1 hp, or
6 - because his hit die is 3 from his character level?I'd say 3 but I might be mistaken.
6. +3 from taking the feat, and another +3 for having three Hit Die
6. +3 from taking the feat, and another +3 for having three Hit Die
I tried to find if gaining a level includes gaining a hit die but couldn't. I was wondering why the feat says "+3 hit points plus 1 hit point per Hit Die" and later refers to "gain a level or gain Hit Dice". Either that is badly worded, or it's meant to differentiate gaining a level and gaining a hit die. How does one gain hit dice?
IIRC, 3.0 Toughness used to give 3 in the example I used.
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6. +3 from taking the feat, and another +3 for having three Hit DieI tried to find if gaining a level includes gaining a hit die but couldn't. I was wondering why the feat says "+3 hit points plus 1 hit point per Hit Die" and later refers to "gain a level or gain Hit Dice". Either that is badly worded, or it's meant to differentiate gaining a level and gaining a hit die. How does one gain hit dice?
IIRC, 3.0 Toughness used to give 3 in the example I used.
Monsters gain Hit Dice all the time. The question is, if it is possible to take toughness multiple time as it was in 3.5. In 3.5 toughness was quite a bad choice, but some monsters had taken it 8 times, in pathfinder it became a much more useful feats, but allowing it to stack might become a bit overwhelming.
Therefore, I would agree that a 3rd level Wizard would gain 6hp (+3 for taking the feat, +3 for being 3rd level [+1 for each Level or Hit Die])
I guess you misunderstood my question. The feat specifically states "You gain +3 hit points plus 1 hit point per Hit Die". Do class levels grant hit dice?
PHB glossary says about hit dice: "a measure of relative power that is synonymous with character level for the sake of spells, magic items, and magical effects that affect a certain number of Hit Dice of creatures". Unfortunately, this doesn't answer the question.
The question is, if it is possible to take toughness multiple time as it was in 3.5.
No. 3.5 Toughness explicitly allowed taking the feat multiple times. PF Toughness is missing this text. You can't take Power Attack multiple times, either.
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The question is, if it is possible to take toughness multiple time as it was in 3.5.No. 3.5 Toughness explicitly allowed taking the feat multiple times. PF Toughness is missing this text. You can't take Power Attack multiple times, either.
Yes. Each time you get a new dice of hit points, that's a hit dice. At the beginning of each class, in the summary it gives you their hit dice, so each level is a new hit dice.
Edit: Ninjaed
3.5 PHB p23 states that a character has the same number of Hit Dice as levels in the section on reading class descriptions. This section does not seem to be included in the SRD or in the Pathfinder Alpha document.
Thank you. There it was. AFAIK, PHB p.23 isn't under OGL.
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Toughness taken as many times as you'd like would be far too powerful.
At 20th level, it's 23 hit points per pick, and you can easily see casters who will outlast some of the more heartly classes provided they invest a few feats here.
Also, for the warrior-type who wants this feat many times - there's little you can do to kill it if he's got a healer aside from death effect.
