Dragons with class

[Robert Petty]

I'm working on a homebrew campaign which will include only one great wyrm of each the chromatic and metallic dragons. To flesh them out more I want to add simple class templates to each with out repeating a class template but I'm having trouble deciding which class template to apply to each dragon and I would like some advice. I have both the monster codex and the genius guide to simple monster templates.

[Vidmaster7]

are you just trying to make them all feel unique or whats your goal?

[Robert Petty]

Part of it is fluff since they'll be part of my world history, but I want to stat them as well so the party can take them on late in the campaign. How they effect history will be largely dependent on their class.

[DeathlessOne]

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid
Blue - Rogue
Green - Ranger
Red - Sorcerer
White - Barbarian

Brass - Cavalier (diplomancer)
Bronze - Monk
Copper - Bard (debuffer)
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

[Vidmaster7]

Well what advice I can give is I would play to their strengths make the metallic more castery (since they tend to be smarter.) Blak dragon seems like it would be a good option for slayer class. Green screams ranger to me. White Barb. Blue needs to be good at mobility They are suppose to be one of the better flyers of chromatics. Red as sorcerers is my go to but you could go a lot of different ways.

[Vidmaster7]

DeathlessOne wrote:

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid
Blue - Rogue
Green - Ranger
Red - Sorcerer
White - Barbarian

Brass - Cavalier (diplomancer)
Bronze - Monk
Copper - Bard (debuffer)
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

Hmm nice we had similar visions for some of them.

[Origami Dog]

I was thinking of a Silver dragon Monk with the Vow of Peace. Maybe it'd preside over a tribe of kobold that are actually LG instead of LE

[Dark Midian]

Is it bad that I read "dragons with class" and imagined dragons with tophats, monocles, and canes?

[Robert Petty]

DeathlessOne wrote:

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid
Blue - Rogue
Green - Ranger
Red - Sorcerer
White - Barbarian

Brass - Cavalier (diplomancer)
Bronze - Monk
Copper - Bard (debuffer)
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

Silver Paladin seemed obvious enough that I already began working on it first. I Love the Gold Oracle. The Brass caviler is the only one I think poses a challenge. Since I'm using simple class templates and not the actual class, the Brass dragon would get a mount.

[Balancer]

Copper is obviously bard with performance comedy.

[Tacticslion]

Dark Midian wrote:

Is it bad that I read "dragons with class" and imagined dragons with tophats, monocles, and canes?

Nope. We both did. :D

[Lathiira]

I was imagining them holding out their pinky claw as they drank tea, myself. And all speaking with a British accent while they did so.

[Tacticslion]

Well, you know, I thought that was clearly implied... XD

[In character Vidmaster7]

Don't worry Chaps I can teach these fine dragon fellows a thing or two about class. Ohohohoho.

[Lathiira]

Tacticslion wrote:

Well, you know, I thought that was clearly implied... XD

Many ways to express that class, however. Rub elbows with the right people, go to the right clubs, see the opera, own the right cars...since I was drinking a mug of Earl Gray when I typed that last, that seemed appropriate :)

[John Mechalas]

DeathlessOne wrote:

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid

This is the only one that seems wrong to me. Black dragons live in putrid swamps and have a nasty temperament. They can corrupt water and they love rotting, decaying food. Basically, their whole theme is "filth and decay". Druid just doesn't feel like a good fit here.

Make them witches if you want spell casting. Otherwise, I like the slayer idea.

[Chromantic Durgon <3]

English people don't drink tea with a tea cup holding our pinky out.

We have a wacking great mug, if we need both hands to hold it that's more the better. When I'm on holiday and get on the those ridiculously pissling tiny cups of tea it really gets up my nose.

[Rogar Valertis]

DeathlessOne wrote:

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid
Blue - Rogue
Green - Ranger
Red - Sorcerer
White - Barbarian

Brass - Cavalier (diplomancer)
Bronze - Monk
Copper - Bard (debuffer)
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

I've a slightly different opinion on this.

Black - Antipaladin Due to their hatred and sadistic personality
Blue - Mesmerist (Enigma) You'll never know whose plan you were advancing in the first place...
Green - Wizard They hoard and love knowledge...
Red - Sorcerer Agreed. Barbarian might also work very well for them although the abilities are a bit redundant for a dragon
White - Barbarian Barbarian is ok for these brutes but ranger is also a good class for the most evolved of them

Brass - Investigator (mastermind) They often live among humans unnoticed and have huge networks of informants in their service
Bronze - ArcanistScholars devoted to knowledge
Copper - Bard (debuffer) Perfect
Gold - Oracle It works because it ties them to the divine without linking them to a single deity, yet cleric could work as well
Silver - Paladin No discussion here

[Chromantic Durgon <3]

Could red be a bloodrager?

I agree with Mesmerist for blue.

[Dαedαlus]

Hmmmm....

Here's how I would do it (and my reasoning):
Black: Ranger
They're already supposed to be 'masters of the swamp.' Make it a 'hunter of men' as well.

Blue: Wizard
As masterminds that prefer to stay behind the scenes, what better way to do so than with a god-style wizard?

Brass: Bard

Brass Dragons wrote:

Consummate conversationalists, brass dragons prefer to talk instead of fight

Enough said.

Bronze: Sorcerer
Okay, perhaps not the best fit, but they are supposed to hoard magical knowledge, it makes sense they're more magical than their kin.

Copper: Rogue
They're described as enjoying messing with their opponents. Rogue fits right into that.

Gold: Cleric
The paragon of dragonkind.... Anything less just seems unfitting other than a cleric to the good dragon god. Besides, they have the 'divine aid' ability.

Green: Druid
The alignment is off, but Greens already have a bunch of nature-y abilities that druid seems a natural (ha) fit.

Red: Barbarian
What screams 'evil chaotic force of doom' more than a raging Red dragon?

Silver: Paladin

Silver Dragons wrote:

holding themselves to a chivalrous code to help the weak, defeat evil, and behave in an honorable manner.

White: Fighter

The 'simplest' of the dragons, it just makes sense to have the most straightforward class. Plus, it was this or monk.

There are better Class fits for several of them, but if you want to use the Class Simple Templates, only CRB classes are an option.

[Robert Petty]

Dαedαlus wrote:

There are better Class fits for several of them, but if you want to use the Class Simple Templates, only CRB classes are an option

Iam also using the genius guide to simple class templates, which allows advanced class and hybrid class options as well. There isn't an occult version yet, and I don't want to use one for the chromatic and metallic dragons.

Each of these great wyrms are unique npcs and have a major influence on world events. They are the only dragons to reach great wyrm yet.

So far I have
Black -
Blue -
Green -
Red - Ant-Paladin
White -
Brass -
Bronze -
Copper - Bard
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

[Vidmaster7]

I like the red anti paladin. Green should be nature oriented I feel like. ambush people in the woods.

[Vidmaster7]

Oh hey just hit me. there is a third party book that has dragon themed archetypes for classes. In the company of dragons. You might be able to use some of that stuff. I think PFSRD might have some of it that you can look over.

[DeathlessOne]

John Mechalas wrote:

DeathlessOne wrote:

After reading the entries for the dragons, this was my assessment.

Black - Druid

This is the only one that seems wrong to me. Black dragons live in putrid swamps and have a nasty temperament. They can corrupt water and they love rotting, decaying food. Basically, their whole theme is "filth and decay". Druid just doesn't feel like a good fit here.

Make them witches if you want spell casting. Otherwise, I like the slayer idea.

Well, the death and decay aspect of Druidic magic is often overlooked as part of the neutral evil alignment spectrum that Druids can occupy. It is, after all, part of nature and makes room for the next generation to grow and thrive. Black dragon don't want to destroy nature, just corrupt it to their purposes. Just take a good look through their spell list and tell me they don't have loads of that kind of magic at their disposal?

Decompose Corpse
Ray of sickening
Accelerate poison
Defoliate
Pox pustules

That is just a few. Although, witch might be a good alternative.

[K-kun the Insane]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Oh hey just hit me. there is a third party book that has dragon themed archetypes for classes. In the company of dragons. You might be able to use some of that stuff. I think PFSRD might have some of it that you can look over.

Paizo's Player Companion Legacy of Dragons might also work, though it's more for those of dragon heritage than the gods themselves.

[SmiloDan]

Robert Petty wrote:

The Brass caviler is the only one I think poses a challenge.

I see what you did there. :-D

Since dragons already sorcerer levels, what about bloodrager/eldritch knight for the red dragons?

Maybe swashbuckler for the brass dragon? Or skald? I can also see blue dragons as swashbucklers to emphasize their mobility.

[Robert Petty]

So this is my first draft.

Black - Witch
Blue - Summoner
Green - Hunter
Red - Ant-Paladin
White - Bloodrager
Brass - Bard
Bronze - Arcanist
Copper - Rouge
Gold - Oracle
Silver - Paladin

[Coquelicot Dragon]

I am feeling very left out.

[DeathlessOne]

Coquelicot Dragon wrote:

I am feeling very left out.

Investigator?

[Robert Petty]

Coquelicot Dragon wrote:

I am feeling very left out.

Why do you feel left out?

[SmiloDan]

Robert Petty wrote:

Coquelicot Dragon wrote:

I am feeling very left out.

Why do you feel left out?

You designated classes for chromatic dragons and metallic dragons, but not Coquelicot Dragons.

Does that seem right to you?

;-)

[Quark Blast]

SmiloDan wrote:

Robert Petty wrote:

Coquelicot Dragon wrote:

I am feeling very left out.

Why do you feel left out?

You designated classes for chromatic dragons and metallic dragons, but not Coquelicot Dragons.

Does that seem right to you?

;-)

No it doesn't since "coquelicot" is French for "red poppies" and Red Dragons are covered under the chromatic heading. So unless he's complaining about no designated classes for flowers, it's all good.