I am interested in making a eldritch guardian. Now as I read it the familiar get all of the combat feats I do. But if I were to only. Go 2 levels of this class just for the familiar and the sharing of combat feats. Can I then go to say a slayer and the familiar still level? Is this the same for a wizard? I have looked at the familiar advancement table. But I would like to have the familiar be medium sized. Would you place the slayer over the fighter in this case? I'm leaning slayer after 2 lvls fighter they get the same amount of combat feats but the slayer can pass on the dex req and gets sneak attack. I would like some input on what you would consider.
Would you rate the slayer above the fighter?
The eldritch guardian archetype specifically states the familiar uses fighter levels as his effective wizard levels for the familiar ability. So if you'd want to multiclass and still have the familiar advance with all your bonus feats, you might need start off as Slayer and pick up Iron Will + Familiar Bond + Improved Familiar Bond, then 2 levels in Eldritch Guardian.
The Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) feat might allow for a delayed wizard-level progression but I'm not too sure as the mixing will get weird.
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The two optimal way to cheese out the familiar is:
1) straight Eldritch Guardian (saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; especially good with the Decoy or Mauler familiar)
2) straight Carnivalist (again, saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; no combat feat sharing but the familiar gains Sneak Attack)
For a simple, high damaging build, go Carnivalist with Mauler familiar; for more complex, potentially sick combos, go Eldritch Guardian with Mauler familiar (level 1-10) or Decoy familiar (level 11+)
The two optimal way to cheese out the familiar is:
1) straight Eldritch Guardian (saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; especially good with the Decoy or Mauler familiar)
2) straight Carnivalist (again, saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; no combat feat sharing but the familiar gains Sneak Attack)
For a simple, high damaging build, go Carnivalist with Mauler familiar; for more complex, potentially sick combos, go Eldritch Guardian with Mauler familiar (level 1-10) or Decoy familiar (level 11+)
I thought of going 2 levels of each to give both combat feats and sneak attack to the familiar. Would you agree? I would still have a lever 4 familiar with all of my combat feats and sneak attack.
I thought of going 2 levels of each to give both combat feats and sneak attack to the familiar. Would you agree? I would still have a lever 4 familiar with all of my combat feats and sneak attack.The two optimal way to cheese out the familiar is:
1) straight Eldritch Guardian (saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; especially good with the Decoy or Mauler familiar)
2) straight Carnivalist (again, saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; no combat feat sharing but the familiar gains Sneak Attack)
For a simple, high damaging build, go Carnivalist with Mauler familiar; for more complex, potentially sick combos, go Eldritch Guardian with Mauler familiar (level 1-10) or Decoy familiar (level 11+)
Ehhhh sure? Really depends on which is gonna be your main class after level dipping. If dipping carnivalist, the 1d6 sneak is a nonfactor in my opinion, the [url]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/precise-strike-combat-teamwork]P recise Strike[/url] feat might be just as effective if you were simply planning on flanking with your mauler familiar (I'm assuming mauler since you mentioned medium sized in your original post).
Ehhhh sure? Really depends on which is gonna be your main class after level dipping. If dipping carnivalist, the 1d6 sneak is a nonfactor in my opinion, the [url]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/precise-strike-combat-teamwork]P recise Strike[/url] feat might be just as effective if you were simply planning on flanking with your mauler familiar (I'm assuming mauler since you mentioned medium sized in your original post).I thought of going 2 levels of each to give both combat feats and sneak attack to the familiar. Would you agree? I would still have a lever 4 familiar with all of my combat feats and sneak attack.The two optimal way to cheese out the familiar is:
1) straight Eldritch Guardian (saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; especially good with the Decoy or Mauler familiar)
2) straight Carnivalist (again, saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; no combat feat sharing but the familiar gains Sneak Attack)
For a simple, high damaging build, go Carnivalist with Mauler familiar; for more complex, potentially sick combos, go Eldritch Guardian with Mauler familiar (level 1-10) or Decoy familiar (level 11+)
The slayer will be the main class. Do you think that is a bad idea just for the sneak attack? I could go 2 for fighter and rogue then the rest slayer. Wouldn't the slayer sneak attack level with the rogues giving my companion all of my sneak attack and combat feats in this way?
Ah. Well I don't know if slayer sneak attack stacks with the carnivalist rogue sneak attack for the familiar. BUT even if it does, some points:
Sneak attack is a terrible thing to rely on. Situational and not as much damage as you'd think, especially if the familiar only has 1 natural attack.
The mauler familiar gets stronger (actual bonuses to Strength) based on your fighter (eldritch guardian) and rogue (carnivalist) levels. So if you go mostly slayer without a way to make those levels stack for the familiar abilities, you're losing quite a bit of damage and accuracy if you hope for those sneak attacks to land.
you could always use Boon Companion too... if you're planning to make it to fighter 2/something else 5+ the feat will only do so much, but if you're considering a more even multiclassing, or don't expect the campaign to last past 6th or 7th level, it would pretty much solve all you're problems.
anyways, i vote for pure fighter. poor fighters don't get enough love.
eldritch guardian will stack with mutation warrior... take both of those and be awesome!
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I thought of going 2 levels of each to give both combat feats and sneak attack to the familiar. Would you agree? I would still have a lever 4 familiar with all of my combat feats and sneak attack.The two optimal way to cheese out the familiar is:
1) straight Eldritch Guardian (saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; especially good with the Decoy or Mauler familiar)
2) straight Carnivalist (again, saves you all the familiar feats and increases familiar power the fastest; no combat feat sharing but the familiar gains Sneak Attack)
For a simple, high damaging build, go Carnivalist with Mauler familiar; for more complex, potentially sick combos, go Eldritch Guardian with Mauler familiar (level 1-10) or Decoy familiar (level 11+)
I'd say go either or, but not both. If you dip in rogue you lose 1pt of BAB. Please note that your familiar also uses your BAB. In terms of hitting things often, fighter is better.
If you want lots of damage, Carnivalist is better (note that some familiar, like the Cat, have 3 attacks, so a level 8 rogue with TWF with a medium cat Mauler may attack 6 times per round, and if all attacks hit, that's sneak damage x 6. Note that the Carnivalist sneak dice are lower than a regular rogue to perhaps account for this.
If you just dip into Carnivalist and then take other classes to up your familiar effective level, that's a good idea as long as the other class: A) grants a fast sneak attack progression; and B) you take that Boon Companion feat to even things out. Note that the Master Spy PrC is often overlooked but gives you +4d6 over 10 levels...