Tribal Hunter and tiny creatures


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So here's a new nifty teamwork feat from the adventurer's guide.

Tribal Hunter (Combat, Teamwork)
You are trained to take down large prey as part of a group.
Prerequisite: Animal Affinity.
Benefit: When you and an ally with this feat are adjacent
to an opponent that is larger than either of you, you both
are considered to be flanking the opponent as long as you
remain adjacent to it.

I'm asking myself. What if a creature sans natural reach (tiny or smaller) is adjacent to your foe? Are you considered flanking even when the creature is not flanking? I'm a bit confused as it doesn't call out threatening at all...


Bump!

Contrast the wording of Tribal hunter with Gang Up or Pack Flanking. Both of which explicitly call out the need to threaten a foe.

Gang Up (Combat)

You are adept at using greater numbers against foes.

Prerequisites: Int 13, Combat Expertise.

Benefit: You are considered to be flanking an opponent if at least two of your allies are threatening that opponent, regardless of your actual positioning.

Normal: You must be positioned opposite an ally to flank an opponent.

You and your companion creature are adept at fighting together against foes.

Prerequisite(s): Int 13, Combat Expertise, ability to acquire an animal companion.

Benefit: When you and your companion creature have this feat, your companion creature is adjacent to you or sharing your square, and you both threaten the same opponent, you are both considered to be flanking that opponent, regardless of your actual positioning.

Normal: You must be positioned opposite an ally to flank an opponent.


Alex Mack wrote:

So here's a new nifty teamwork feat from the adventurer's guide.

Tribal Hunter (Combat, Teamwork)
You are trained to take down large prey as part of a group.
Prerequisite: Animal Affinity.
Benefit: When you and an ally with this feat are adjacent
to an opponent that is larger than either of you, you both
are considered to be flanking the opponent as long as you
remain adjacent to it.

I'm asking myself. What if a creature sans natural reach (tiny or smaller) is adjacent to your foe? Are you considered flanking even when the creature is not flanking? I'm a bit confused as it doesn't call out threatening at all...

What's the point of flanking if you can't melee ? O_o

RAW as it is written you flank by being adjacent so yes you flank...

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

That feat assumes they threaten, so unless the tiny creature threatens it doesn't work.

This may have table variance, so the real answer is "Ask your GM".


James Risner wrote:

That feat assumes they threaten, so unless the tiny creature threatens it doesn't work.

This may have table variance, so the real answer is "Ask your GM".

That was my first instinct as well. But then why this massive discrepancy in wording to two other feats that accomplish more or less the same thing?

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Different writers?

The rules are explictly described as being conversation. So often some things may be omitted because they are considered "obvious", they are "too verbose for the space allowed", they need to take up more room "so words are added to expand on obvious things".

In short, just because two feats work the same but use vastly different language doesn't mean (per developers comments) that they work differently.

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