Tower shield specialist with feats

[habibo]

So this is another post about tower shields and the confusing feats and class abilities.

Ok so the tower shield specialist fighter archetype says you get -3 acp and +2 dex increasing by for every 4 levels after etc.
Then the tower shield specialist feat in the armor masters handbook says
you get -3 acp with it and your fighter training stacks with the tower shield
now he has armor two wich with the archetype should be -4 acp and +3 dex

Now we are making the tower shield darkwood which gives -2 acp

so if i did my math right that is -10 acp +4 from class +3 from feat +2 from material which means an acp of -1 or am i wrong?

and then for cost it should be 10*45lb = 450+30 from base cost = 480 +150 from masterworking = 630 gp i believe

[Dark Midian]

Tower Shield Specialist's armor training starts at -3 ACP and +2 Dex, and goes up by 1 each per 4 levels. The TSS feat basically gives you that class feature for free in the form of the -3 ACP, and states that it lets you treat your shield as armor for the purposes of reducing ACP (Which technically is the whole point of the TSS armor training class feature, but it's poorly worded.) So if your character has any armor on, add that to the total ACP along with your tower shield, and then subtract the -4 from armor training, the -3 from the TSS feat, and the -2 from darkwood.

The math on the darkwood tower shield is correct.

[habibo]

Dark Midian wrote:

Tower Shield Specialist's armor training starts at -3 ACP and +2 Dex, and goes up by 1 each per 4 levels. The TSS feat basically gives you that class feature for free in the form of the -3 ACP, and states that it lets you treat your shield as armor for the purposes of reducing ACP (Which technically is the whole point of the TSS armor training class feature, but it's poorly worded.) So if your character has any armor on, add that to the total ACP along with your tower shield, and then subtract the -4 from armor training, the -3 from the TSS feat, and the -2 from darkwood.

The math on the darkwood tower shield is correct.

then how does that work with the shield brace feat wich allows you to use a polearm category weapon in both hands and retain shield bonus but your shield acp counts as a negative to hit

[Dark Midian]

Two ways to go about it:

1. Allow all of it, even armor training to apply, in which case you'd get the -1 ACP, or

2. Only allow things that specifically apply to tower shields to count, which would be the -3 from the feat and the -2 from darkwood.

I'd ask over in Mark Seifter's thread in the Off-topic section since there's no rules-correct way to do it. Tower shields aren't well thought out.