Elongated Cranium and -based checks.

[claudekennilol]

[quote d20pfsrd, Elongated Cranium]
Ovoid Compression: Your head takes on a larger, more bulbous appearance than normal. You take a —1 penalty on Charisma and Wisdom checks and on Wisdom– and Charisma-based skill checks, but gain a +2 bonus on Intelligence checks and Intelligence-based skill checks.

Specifically, I'm asking if this would apply to Will Saves. I know that will saves are a wisdom-based check, but it is not a wisdom check right? That would only be if the GM specifically says "roll a wisdom check". Likewise, if I had an int-based saving throw, I would not get a +2 to it, right?

[claudekennilol]

d20pfsrd, Elongated Cranium wrote:

Ovoid Compression: Your head takes on a larger, more bulbous appearance than normal. You take a —1 penalty on Charisma and Wisdom checks and on Wisdom– and Charisma-based skill checks, but gain a +2 bonus on Intelligence checks and Intelligence-based skill checks.

Wow I butchered that quote above.

[Deadbeat Doom]

Saving Throws are related to Dex, Con, and Wis in the same way that Attack actions are related to Str and Dex.

A Will Save utilizes your Wisdom modifier, but it is not a Wisdom check; just as a Melee Attack roll will use your Strength, but it is not a Strength check.

[claudekennilol]

That's what I thought. Though your post doesn't make it clear whether or not you agree that "a will save is a wisdom-based check" and a "melee attack roll is a strength-based check".

[Emo Duck]

As I read it, only straight Wisdom/Charisma ability checks and Wisdom/Charisma-based skill checks are affected. Will saving throws would not be.

If the character has the Noble Scion (War) feat, it would affect his initiative, however.

[claudekennilol]

It can't be both ways. It's still an initiative check. It's just now charisma-based. It's not a charisma check.

[cannen144]

claudekennilol wrote:

It can't be both ways. It's still an initiative check. It's just now charisma-based. It's not a charisma check.

actually, strictly speaking, since Initiative is a dexterity check, it should be modify to a charisma check:

d20pfsrd wrote:

An initiative check is a Dexterity check.

for reference

[Lemartes]

Emo Duck wrote:

As I read it, only straight Wisdom/Charisma ability checks and Wisdom/Charisma-based skill checks are affected. Will saving throws would not be.

If the character has the Noble Scion (War) feat, it would affect his initiative, however.

Hmm that gives me an idea!

Fronto-Occipital Elongation: Your head slopes severely in a high conical shape, tapering from your brow to the crown of your head. You take a —1 penalty on Intelligence and Wisdom checks and on Intelligence– and Wisdom-based skill checks, but gain a +2 bonus on Charisma checks and Charisma-based skill checks. In addition, once per day, you can extend the duration of a psychic spell you cast by 50% (minimum 0 additional rounds).

The increased duration doesn’t stack with the increase granted by the Extend Spell feat.

[Alderic]

If you then make some skills cha based, like some oracles can do, and grab a circlet of persuasion...