Style feat special lines and Later feats in the chain, FAQ hits and discussion thread.


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A lot of the new Style feats have a special line allowing use of the feat with either additional weapons of the same weapon group or in the case of Ascetic Style any Monk weapon. Do these exceptions apply to the later feats in the chain or must you only use your chosen weapon for the later feats?

Ascetic style wrote:
Special: A 5th-level monk or character with the weapon training (monk) class feature can use Ascetic Style with any monk weapon, in addition to the chosen melee weapon.

With Ascetic Style we see the additional weapons being those with certain special quality.

Smashing style wrote:
Special: A character with the weapon training (axes, hammers, or flails) class feature can use Smashing Style with any axe, flail, or hammer, respectively, in addition to the chosen weapon.

Most styles are like Smashing style and allow use with any weapon in their weapon group.

Startoss Style wrote:
Special: In addition to the chosen weapon, a character with this feat and the weapon training (thrown) class feature can use Startoss Style with any thrown weapons that she wields in one hand.

Startoss is another odd one as it seems to allow any thrown weapon that is wielded in one hand, possibly opening it up to weapons outside the group altogether.


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This is really cut and dried, actually.

Take Ascetic Style for instance.

Quote:

Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks.

Special: A 5th-level monk or character with the weapon training (monk) class feature can use Ascetic Style with any monk weapon, in addition to the chosen melee weapon.

While using the Style and wielding the chosen weapon you get these benefits. Special clause: If you're a Monk or have Weapon Training, you can use it with the weapon group.

All the other Style Feats are reliant on Ascetic Style. You have to be using a Style "stance" to gain any of the Style benefits.

The Special clause of Ascetic style modifies the text of the others.

For example, Ascetic Form:

Quote:
You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk's style strike ability. In addition, you are treated as a monk with a level equal to your character level for the purpose of determining the number of times per day that you can use feats with uses per day that depend upon your monk level, such as the Stunning Fist or Perfect Strike feats.

With the Special clause fulfilled, he text becomes:

Quote:
You can use [any Monk weapon or the chosen melee weapon] with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk's style strike ability. In addition, you are treated as a monk with a level equal to your character level for the purpose of determining the number of times per day that you can use feats with uses per day that depend upon your monk level, such as the Stunning Fist or Perfect Strike feats.

Style Feats are ALWAYS meant to be referenced backwards to the initial Feat. None of them ever exist in a vacuum.


That is my line of thought as well but after some back and forth on the matter figured I would pose it as it's own question.

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