Superman glares at BNW
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Superman glares at BNW
Oh please. He's a pulizter winning author that uses superpowers to do his job better than any human ever could, and has had steady employment, a good income, and a giant crystal fortress to hang his hat in if things go south. His life is GREAT because he's a superhero, not messed up.
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And vice versa. Clark Kent is who he is. He was raised as Clark Kent, his values are the values that Ma and Pa Kent raised him with. Clark is not fabrication or a costume, it's just a another side of the coin. That analogue works better with Batman, where Bruce really is a show, and Batman is his true self.
And vice versa. Clark Kent is who he is. He was raised as Clark Kent, his values are the values that Ma and Pa Kent raised him with. Clark is not fabrication or a costume, it's just a another side of the coin. That analogue works better with Batman, where Bruce really is a show, and Batman is his true self.
both depending on the writer. They have switched these at some point.
*is miffed that Spidey lost more than 40% of its earnings AND lost to some freaking apes*
To be fair though he did get out done by Klawe...
Superman glares at BNWOh please. He's a pulizter winning author that uses superpowers to do his job better than any human ever could, and has had steady employment, a good income, and a giant crystal fortress to hang his hat in if things go south. His life is GREAT because he's a superhero, not messed up.
Indeed. Superman needs to check his Kryptonian privilege.
And vice versa. Clark Kent is who he is.Nah.
Was literally about to link that thank you Tri
Superman always had power was always amazing most other heros come into their power. but really Bill says it best.
Was literally about to link that thank you TriSuperman always had power was always amazing most other heros come into their power. but really Bill says it best.
He's always had power but that doesn't mean he's always BEEN superman. Superman is more than his powers.
lets go this way which one is him acting and playing a character and which one is him being himself? he act clumsy cowardly and weak as clark as SM he is himself.
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And vice versa. Clark Kent is who he is.Nah.
I'm sorry, but I never believed that. I like Tarantino and Kill Bill, but that I think that does not describe Superman at all.
Because Superman is not alien masquerading as human. Superman is human, who happens to be alien. He is raised in Kansas, with values of humans, by humans and he only knew his true origins later in life. It makes no sense that he suddenly starts to be non-human after that. Best Superman stories focus in his humanity- Superman For All Seasons is one of the best examples of that. Also, Clark has not really been weak or bumbling around for a long time, except when used as a deliberate throwback to his pre-crisis origins. Clark is smart, nice, loyal to his friends and hell of a reporter. Hell, in 1978 Superman movie he stand between Lois and a gun as Clark. IF Clark is supposed to be a coward, he would not do that. That does not seem like some sort of critique of human race. I think Bill is flat-out wrong about Superman, and that tells something about Bill as a character.
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Yeah, all Bill's speech does is indicate something about him (It's also Tarantino doing his usual self-indulgent, almost-as-clever-as-he-thinks-he-is crap, but let that slide for the moment). His appraisal of Superman is way off- At heart, Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman is just an incredibly powerful farm boy from Kansas. He grew up there. The Kents are his family.
All of his Kryptonian stuff came later.
Superman and clark are the same person ofcourse that is obvious, but he does not act like himself when he is Clark Kent. he doesn't say oh ill run down and grab some burgers at the speed of light for everyone at the office. he hides aspects of his personality and of course his powers. Granted it will depend on which series and iteration we look at you go silver age its a lot more apparent. while smallville he was never really super man.
The Kryptonian is not super man. thats not what i'm saying.
Batman is always batman you take away all the gear and all the gadgets and hes still batman. he still puts the mask on and then people know hes batman
I suppose sometimes wonder woman isn't depends on how early you wanna go with but now a days she is wonder woman and not Diana prince. Diana prince is the illusion. she doesn't even wear a mask igther way right?
Now green lantern for example is a change to that you take away his ring and hes just a guy, alan, hal, raynor or John.
Spiderman is kind of blurred in there but they do tend to act differently. spider man without gear is still mostly spider man. (no webbing depending)
Actually as I think about it secret identitys seem to be on the decline. isn't peter and maybe ant man the only avengers that the whole world doesn't know their full names?
peter puts on the mask to become spiderman. Clark takes the mask (glasses) off to become superman. You guys are thinking of more modern representations but that has been kind of the point of superman.
Sure both ways he is still the same person, but outside looking in your not suspose to go hmm Clark Kent and superman sure are a lot alike.
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Yeah, all Bill's speech does is indicate something about him (It's also Tarantino doing his usual self-indulgent, almost-as-clever-as-he-thinks-he-is crap, but let that slide for the moment). His appraisal of Superman is way off- At heart, Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman is just an incredibly powerful farm boy from Kansas. He grew up there. The Kents are his family.
All of his Kryptonian stuff came later.
pah! Tarentino got it right. Clark is a mask for the most part.
When's got the cape and tights on, what about Superman is not part of who he actually is? People can lead multifaceted lives, we do this every day when we go to work, then come home and interact different with our family than we did our coworkers. It doesn't mean either is untrue to ourselves (though it is possible).
What about the superman identity is false? Something that he does that runs counter to his true nature. Not just different, but counter.
I really didn't mean to set all this in motion. I was just making a joke about "alter egos" and who had them first.
Superman was first written in the 30's
Spiderman was first written in the 60's
Superman thus had the "first" secret identity... and so he glared at BNW when he said that Spidey started the trope.
But honestly, Superman never seemed like a glare-er and so he probably just waved at BNW instead.
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I really didn't mean to set all this in motion. I was just making a joke about "alter egos" and who had them first.
Superman was first written in the 30's
Spiderman was first written in the 60'sSuperman thus had the "first" secret identity... and so he glared at BNW when he said that Spidey started the trope.
Oh he can glare.
(Has Imgur been down/not loading for everyone else the last couple days? IIDRN? says all is fine, but not for me.)
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Superman thus had the "first" secret identity... and so he glared at BNW when he said that Spidey started the trope.But honestly, Superman never seemed like a glare-er and so he probably just waved at BNW instead.
Spidey's schtick isn't a secret identity. He was one of the original deconstructors of "being a superhero is seriously going to mess with your life" Before spidey superheroing was mostly upside: Superman is kicking it as a world famous reporter, bruce wayne cries into a pile of money and has his own butler. Spiderman gets in trouble for not studying for a math test and cutting class.
He started the teen hero schtick , the being a hero sucks schtick
Oh he can glare.(Has Imgur been down/not loading for everyone else the last couple days? IIDRN? says all is fine, but not for me.)
it's been okay for me.
pah! Tarentino got it right. Clark is a mask for the most part.
Metropolis Clark trying to hide at the Daily Planet, maybe.
Clark Kent going home to Smallville and eating with his folks? No. Clark Kent married to Lois Lane and shaving with a mirror and heat vision every day? No.
Tarantino is a hack.
pah! Tarentino got it right. Clark is a mask for the most part.Metropolis Clark trying to hide at the Daily Planet, maybe.
Clark Kent going home to Smallville and eating with his folks? No. Clark Kent married to Lois Lane and shaving with a mirror and heat vision every day? No.
Tarantino is a hack.
what, did they turn down your kill Bill script?
Using that for both ironic and non ironic purposes.
Also, you just proved Tarantino point accidentally.
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Also, you just proved Tarantino point accidentally.
Not really. He's clark kent putting on a clumsy clark kent mask in metropolis so people don't realize he's clark kent that sometimes puts on a superman mask.
Not really. He's clark kent putting on a clumsy clark kent mask in metropolis so people don't realize he's clark kent that sometimes puts on a superman mask.
Also, you just proved Tarantino point accidentally.
Precisely.
Precisely.Not really. He's clark kent putting on a clumsy clark kent mask in metropolis so people don't realize he's clark kent that sometimes puts on a superman mask.
Also, you just proved Tarantino point accidentally.
we aren't going to agree here, and there are at least two storylines that prove my point.
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we aren't going to agree here, and there are at least two storylines that prove my point.
I'm sure there's at least 4 that take the other way.
The FF couldn't pay the rent on the Baxter building in one of the early issues and got evicted. The Thing was stuck as a monster. The X-Men were always feared and hated. The Hulk was a monster, etc.
Not being able to pay rent on your own BULDING is a problem we can all relate to i'm sure... :)
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Wow, this thread has strayed pretty far from the original topic, huh?
ya think? ;)
we aren't going to agree here, and there are at least two storylines that prove my point.I'm sure there's at least 4 that take the other way.
quite possible.
Bill sees Superman (and everything else, I suppose) through the warped and cracked lens of his own psychopathic outlook. In game terms, Bill, being Chaotic Evil, cannot really understand the mind of Superman, who is Lawful Good.And vice versa. Clark Kent is who he is.Nah.Was literally about to link that thank you Tri
Superman always had power was always amazing most other heros come into their power. but really Bill says it best.
save that he made a very good point backed up by years of characterization. He wasn't talking out of his ass.
save that he made a very good point backed up by years of characterization. He wasn't talking out of his ass.
{now ponders story universe where Ace Ventura is Bill}
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we aren't going to agree here
I don't think that was ever on offer- it's a geek disagreement on the internet!
Suffice to say I'll see your "at least two storylines" and raise you literal decades of storytelling across the main continuity, multiple timeline variations, and numerous Elseworlds tales, many of which would go on to influence the main continuity.
And furthermore...
Oh, crud, this is a Spiderman thread, isn't it? ;)
(Personal aside: Tarantino is to me almost as Whedon is to you. Almost. I regard Reservoir Dogs as a masterpiece and Pulp Fiction as pretty good, but otherwise... he's a self-indulgent hack in dire need of a critical editor.)
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we aren't going to agree hereI don't think that was ever on offer- it's a geek disagreement on the internet!
Suffice to say I'll see your "at least two storylines" and raise you literal decades of storytelling across the main continuity, multiple timeline variations, and numerous Elseworlds tales, many of which would go on to influence the main continuity.
And furthermore...
Oh, crud, this is a Spiderman thread, isn't it? ;)
(Personal aside: Tarantino is to me almost as Whedon is to you. Almost. I regard Reservoir Dogs as a masterpiece and Pulp Fiction as pretty good, but otherwise... he's a self-indulgent hack in dire need of a critical editor.)
elseworlds has no place in this conversation, and the storylines I refer to are seminal parts of superman backstory...
God I can't wait to go to the comic book store today and argue with everyone about this...
Say, how 'bout that Spider-Man Homecoming movie?
It sure was swell, huh?
say what now?
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I've read every single post on this thread since like last Saturday in this guy's voice.
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say what now?Say, how 'bout that Spider-Man Homecoming movie?
It sure was swell, huh?
Oh sorry, I can understand your confusion!
You see, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. You probably can't tell by just reading the last couple dozen posts, but the actual title of the thread is SPIDERMAN HOMECOMING ...
Hopefully that cleared everything up :)
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say what now?Say, how 'bout that Spider-Man Homecoming movie?
It sure was swell, huh?Oh sorry, I can understand your confusion!
You see, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. You probably can't tell by just reading the last couple dozen posts, but the actual title of the thread is SPIDERMAN HOMECOMING ...
Hopefully that cleared everything up :)
Spider man is in a MOVIE?
WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME?