Magus' Spell Combat and Quickened Spell


Rules Questions


If a Magus uses spell combat to cast a spell and full round attack and uses quickened spell to cast a touch attack spell as a swift action, does the touch attack from the quickened spell take a -2 penalty as well?

Spell Combat:
As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty).

RAW I would say no, but RAI might be yes.


No, it wouldn't take the penalty from Spell Combat. The penalty is associated with the group of actions of casting the spell, delivering it (via touch or Spellstrike), and the normal number of attacks you would get based on BAB.

If you cast a quickened spell it is outside those group of actions and wouldn't take the penalty. You could still deliver via Spellstrike at your full attack bonus.


Claxon wrote:

No, it wouldn't take the penalty from Spell Combat. The penalty is associated with the group of actions of casting the spell, delivering it (via touch or Spellstrike), and the normal number of attacks you would get based on BAB.

If you cast a quickened spell it is outside those group of actions and wouldn't take the penalty. You could still deliver via Spellstrike at your full attack bonus.

I would say this would actually fall under the Spell Combat penalty, as the ability says all of his attacks with his melee weapon take the penalty. If he uses Spellstrike, it is an additional attack with the weapon, but still would fall under that broad rule IMO.


The penalty applies only to attacks that fall within Spell Combat. A quickened spell cast outside of Spell Combat will not suffer the -2 penalty.


Quick questions:

Since you can take a swift action during a full round action, what happens if the magus do this:

1) initiate spellcombat.
2) cast a spell (let's say Mirror image) as the spell part of spellcombat.
3) cast quickened shocking grasp
4)make it's free attack from casting shocking grasp
5) do all of it's iterative attacks with -2 to hit

Does the free attack in 4 get the -2???

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