Wondrous Item Resizing


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

Under the "Size and Magic Items" rules you can find the following:

Size and Magic Items wrote:
When an article of magic clothing or jewelry is discovered, most of the time size shouldn't be an issue. Many magic garments are made to be easily adjustable, or they adjust themselves magically to the wearer. Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items.

Is there any reason an unslotted wondrous item like a Handy Haversack would not resize for use on a smaller eligible individual? If I wanted to give it to a familiar, is there anything contradicting this interpretation? What about general items, like a Robe of Voidfrost or something similar?

I'm asking this not for generating loot, but for use during a game. Are wondrous items meant to be "one size fits all"? If I find one in loot sized for a giant, can I give it to a tiny familiar that qualifies to wear it?

Sczarni

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

One size fits all, because they're not given a default size.

But also, regardless of who's wearing them, they all weigh the same.

(as in a Halfling wears the same 5 lb Haversack as a Human)

Liberty's Edge

Nefreet wrote:

One size fits all, because they're not given a default size.

But also, regardless of who's wearing them, they all weigh the same.

(as in a Halfling wears the same 5 lb Haversack as a Human)

Thanks, Nefreet. Oh, so the weight doesn't scale to size? That's interesting. Just to clarify and make absolutely sure, if I were to take off my Handy Haversack and hand it to my friend who has been Permanency Reduce Person'd, he can wear it at that moment? Is there any "adjustment" time?

Just making sure on the RAW here because the actual statement I quoted can be interpreted in silly ways.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Well, a few things:

If you're under the effects of Reduce/Enlarge Person, gear that you drop resizes to its default size, and gear that you pick up doesn't change to your size. Only the things you're carrying at the time the spell was cast become affected (which is why I've always viewed those spells as poor choices for Permanency).

Next, notice that your quote leaves out weight. Resizing happens on its own, but not weight loss/gain. Although, weight does temporarily change when you're under the effects of one of those spells, because that's one of the effects listed.

Lastly, that statement doesn't cover Armor or Weapons (in case you weren't aware). They have their own rules on size, and their weight does go up or down.

Liberty's Edge

Alright, thanks a ton. I really just wanted to make sure I could give my Handy Haversack to my familiar without worrying about resizing time or other issues on that front. If I wasn't sure it was RAW I wouldn't try to do it in a game and inconvenience the GM. It's easy to sympathize with a GM because I so often do it...

Anyway, thanks again for all the help. Sometimes it just takes another view to confirm things.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Even though it resizes, 5 lbs can still be a lot for some Familiars to carry.


Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I would say weights probably do change...HOWEVER---

Things like a Handy Haversack, a Bag of Holding, and other similar objects DO NOT change their weights. This is because these items have a set weight regardless of how much crap you cram into them. The Haversack weighs 5 lbs because of magic not because there is 5 lbs of canvas fabric.

To summarize: a Mask of the Skull probably does not weigh 3lbs if worn by a tiny creature, but the Haversack weighs 5 lbs if held by a pixie or a frost giant.

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