In my Handy Haversack, where it weighs nothing. Sure I have to pull the bag out of the haversack to get at its contents, but so what? Anything I might need now is in the haversack (directly) anyway.
uh, sticking a bag of holding in a bag of holding equiv causes an explosion. That would be a really bad idea to shove it in a haversack.
I would just fold it up and stick it in a backpack, myself. You don't use the bag in combat, because it doesn't give you what you want like a haversack does. It's just for mass storage.
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Aelryinth, a bag of holding in a bag of holding does not cause an explosion. It causes one to be non-functional.
Only when you mix a Bag of Holding with a Portable Hole are there dangerous consequences.
Extradimensional Spaces
A number of spells and magic items utilize extradimensional spaces, such as rope trick, a bag of holding, a handy haversack, and a portable hole. These spells and magic items create a tiny pocket space that does not exist in any dimension. Such items do not function, however, inside another extradimensional space. If placed inside such a space, they cease to function until removed from the extradimensional space. For example, if a bag of holding is brought into a rope trick, the contents of the bag of holding become inaccessible until the bag of holding is taken outside the rope trick. The only exception to this is when a bag of holding and a portable hole interact, forming a rift to the Astral Plane, as noted in their descriptions.
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I carry my Bag of Holding safely tucked into my Portable Hole. That way, nobody can go and steal it.
Now if only I can find where I put it... I swear I had it here just a moment ago.
I'm currently playing a treant-like eidolon synthesist and have the party's bag discretely tucked inside a knothole at the crux of my back branches.
It'd only make sense for such an iconic item to have been made with straps for ease of carrying, and yet the item's description seems to preclude any of the sort. Since carrying a loose bag that can weigh dozens of pounds would quickly grow tiresome. Sowing straps onto an existing bag wouldn't seem to be an option since piercing the bag with a sowing needle would destroy it instantly. The easiest solution would likely be to carry the bag inside of a conventional backpack or rucksack.
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You toss the bag of holding into a secret chest, toss the replica into a potable hole then fold that up and put it into a second secret chest then put that replica in your handy haversack.
Aelryinth, a bag of holding in a bag of holding does not cause an explosion. It causes one to be non-functional.
Only when you mix a Bag of Holding with a Portable Hole are there dangerous consequences.
Extradimensional Spaces
A number of spells and magic items utilize extradimensional spaces, such as rope trick, a bag of holding, a handy haversack, and a portable hole. These spells and magic items create a tiny pocket space that does not exist in any dimension. Such items do not function, however, inside another extradimensional space. If placed inside such a space, they cease to function until removed from the extradimensional space. For example, if a bag of holding is brought into a rope trick, the contents of the bag of holding become inaccessible until the bag of holding is taken outside the rope trick. The only exception to this is when a bag of holding and a portable hole interact, forming a rift to the Astral Plane, as noted in their descriptions.
ooo that's right, they updated how that worked.
Thx for the correction!
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i get it as a tattoo (also its a handy haversack). my dwarf fighter has it tattoo'd to the underside of his chin, he pulls anything he needs out of his beard basically
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Round 2: let's now assume that the party is low level and the bag of holding is their only extradimensional item.
--> What are the low level ways your party carries it? (PC, mount saddlebags, over the shoulder, low level spell, etc.)
--> If a PC carries it, what is the typical setup / location of the bag of holding?
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or backpack. Note bags are actually rather heavy, loaded or not, and wearing them at the belt is probably not good.
I mean, if you want to carry coins, a Quiver of Holding, or whatever they call it now, is much better. just stick them in hollow staves.
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It shouldn't take up much space once you fold it up. Just stick it in your belt-pouch.
That's... a really good idea. I'm wondering how 'full' the bag looks (i.e. does it always look flaccid and empty?)
Assuming you can fold it, problem I see is weight, and the way that pouch will now drag down your belt. Or tuck it under your belt? Can you twist the bag and make a knot?
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I'd imagine that the Bag of Holding's apparent bulk is commensurate with it's weight; so I'd say folding it isn't really an option. It'd seem damn strange for a folded up piece of cloth to weigh 60 lbs.
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Carry things? That's what Leadership is for...
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My main purpose is trying to find out how they're handled at the table. Since the CRB came out there's been a LOT of books, and a lot of those newer feats deal with action economy and let you do things faster than normal.
My thoughts on bags of holding, so far, are these:
- they can't be folded, unless they're rendered inaccessible (i.e. when you're inside a rope trick or if it's placed in another bag of holding)
- they don't have shoulder straps, so you need a free hand to carry them or you can load it in your saddlebags (I'm not looking this up, but I'll assume saddlebags are big enough to stuff a *bag of holding on each side of the mount)
- their size/bulk is such that you can only stuff a Type I or Type II into a handy haversack (once stuffed in there, contents are rendered inaccessible, and it's considered folded, so it doesn't take any space other than it's weight of 15 or 25 lbs., respectively)
- once in a haversack, contents is inaccessible, so it takes two rounds to get something out of a bag of holding that's inside a handy haversack.
*PDK's quick rule of thumb: medium mount can have up to Type II on each side, while large mount or greater can have up to Type IV on each side of the saddlebags.
I think they are really just magical bags, but every table I have been at has always treated them as backpacks.
Rule: Pathfinder doesn't generally deal with equipment space, only weight. There are no rules regarding how you carry a bag of holding.
Since there are no rules covering carrying a bag of holding (beyond weight) any discussion regarding how tables handle it is a non-rule discussion.
In the form of a Fanny Pack, of course.
a 60 lb fanny pack? Ugh.
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I've always pictured a bag of holding like a Santa's sack. You can carry it over your shoulder and it carries tons of toys.
When adventuring, just have someone carry it and free action drop it whenever combat starts. Just remember to pick it back up again.
There's another thread on "Keeping Track of Minutia". Based on people's input there I'd guess that many groups don't even worry about the weight of the bag, much less how it is carried. I'd guess it would typically be put into a backpack not only because carrying it by hand could be tiring (which is more of a roleplaying concern) but because it would take up a hand you might want to use for something else. The point Gauss raises is a good one and similar to some ideas expressed in the other thread. A strong PC can carry a 100lb rowboat without becoming encumbered, but how it works and whether it causes any challenges seems to be left to the DM to decide.
@Peachbottom - Not wanting to drop a bag full of the party's treasure on the floor during combat is one reason I'd guess that most people who bother to wonder how the bag gets carried would put it into a backpack.
I've never had a GM be jerky enough to attack the players' treasure. My groups always play for fun and having your treasure destroyed is the opposite of fun.
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I'd agree that sneaking into the party's camp to rob them would get old really fast, but if a goblin grabs your bag full of treasure off the ground during combat and runs away that seems kind of hilarious to me. I guess maybe I'm a bad person/DM.
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I've never had a GM be jerky enough to attack the players' treasure. My groups always play for fun and having your treasure destroyed is the opposite of fun.
Destroying your players' treasure is a good way to have them destroy your campaign/world.
You can always have someone build a backpack framework for it - although Santa's Sack seems like a good visual. Two feet by four feet is a pretty large bag.
Generally, we assume it is contained within someone's backpack - so one action to take off the backpack, one action to get the bag of holding out of the closed backpack, and one more to get something from the bag of holding. That table assumption is why people buy Handy Haversacks.
The same way video game characters carry a dozen weapons, belt of holding. Its invisible and everything you hook to it instantly weights nothing and becomes invisible.
In all seriousness, this has never came up at the table during any game. For that matter it has never been noted how one still fights with their backpack full of stuff on. Granted soldiers manage to remain mobile and still fight, so perhaps with training it is not hard to do.
i get it as a tattoo (also its a handy haversack). my dwarf fighter has it tattoo'd to the underside of his chin, he pulls anything he needs out of his beard basically
is this some odd house rule thing or is this something you can do within the rules somewhere?
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On thing I've noticed is that most players (and GMs) don't seem to be aware that the bag of holding has it's own weight which is not negated by the bag itself.
Type 1 is 15lbs, Type 2 is 25lbs, type 3 is 35lbs and type 4 is 60lbs.
Not exactly lightweight from the standpoint of caster or other low strength character. Sure, they carry many times their weight, but if you've got a character with only 10, or so, strength, the type 1 bag and any gear they hold is still likely to put them at a medium load (34lbs is medium for str 10, so they have 18.9lbs for gear at a light load).
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On thing I've noticed is that most players (and GMs) don't seem to be aware that the bag of holding has it's own weight which is not negated by the bag itself.
That's why you carry the bag inside itself. :]
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On thing I've noticed is that most players (and GMs) don't seem to be aware that the bag of holding has it's own weight which is not negated by the bag itself.That's why you carry the bag inside itself. :]
I think that would create a black hole.
A warlock or cabalist vigilante could just carry a bag of holding in their tattoo chamber.
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No, it just wouldn't happen. The ring gates have to be on the same plane.I think that would create a black hole.
That's why you carry the bag inside itself. :]
I'm not sure that each extra-dimensional space counts as its own demi-plane, but if so... just do the same thing with an ordinary bag... ring gate 1 inside bag, put bag through ring gate 2. Bag is now inside bag. Clearly the same plane, so provided it fits there should be nothing preventing this... and you can toss a bag of holding into the ordinary bag for good measure.
I'm not sure that each extra-dimensional space counts as its own demi-plane, but if so... just do the same thing with an ordinary bag... ring gate 1 inside bag, put bag through ring gate 2. Bag is now inside bag. Clearly the same plane, so provided it fits there should be nothing preventing this... and you can toss a bag of holding into the ordinary bag for good measure.No, it just wouldn't happen. The ring gates have to be on the same plane.I think that would create a black hole.
That's why you carry the bag inside itself. :]
A ring cannot fit through another ring of the same size.
This.
Your bag has a ring-gate in it. When you try to shove the bag through, you also try to shove the ring-gate through (it's covered by the bag and has more bag hanging out of it, but it's there).
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On thing I've noticed is that most players (and GMs) don't seem to be aware that the bag of holding has it's own weight which is not negated by the bag itself.That's why you carry the bag inside itself. :]
That ring gate thing doesn't work in rules.
From Prd:
These always come in pairs—two iron rings, each about 18 inches in diameter. The rings must be on the same plane of existence and within 100 miles of each other to function. Whatever is put through one ring comes out the other, and up to 100 pounds of material can be transferred each day. (Objects only partially pushed through and then retracted do not count.) This useful device allows for instantaneous transport of items or messages, and even attacks. A character can reach through to grab things near the other ring, or even stab a weapon through if so desired. Alternatively, a character could stick his head through to look around. A spellcaster could even cast a spell through a ring gate. A Small character can make a DC 13 Escape Artist check to slip through. Creatures of Tiny, Diminutive, or Fine size can pass through easily. Each ring has an "entry side" and an "exit side," both marked with appropriate symbols.
This appears to be a common cloth sack about 2 feet by 4 feet in size. The bag of holding opens into a nondimensional space: its inside is larger than its outside dimensions. Regardless of what is put into the bag, it weighs a fixed amount. This weight, and the limits in weight and volume of the bag's contents, depend on the bag's type, as shown on the table below.
The Planes
While endless adventure awaits out in the game—there are other worlds beyond these—other continents, other planets, other galaxies. Yet even beyond this existence of countless planets exist more worlds—entirely different dimensions of reality known as the planes of existence. Except for rare linking points that allow travel between them, each plane is effectively its own universe with its own natural laws. Collectively, the entirety of these other dimensions and planes is known as the Great Beyond.
The interior of a bag of holding is considered non-dimensional space. Dimensions are defined being the same thing as planes in pathfinder. The Ring Gates only function if they are on the same plane. So if one is in this dimension (plane) and the other is in non-dimesnional space (non-plane space), then they don't work.