path of war, warlord, stalker discipline and maneuver questions.


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So I started looking into path of war and really liked the maneuvers giving your melee character more versatile fighting options than just walk up to the enemy and hit them.
but a lot of question came up.

1.
what would happen to my maneuvers and stances if I multiclassed stalker1/warlord1 ?
would I have 12 maneuvers (6 known from the respective disciplines open to the class) known and 8 readied(obviously I could have 6 readied from one class and 2 from the other) and two stances known?
2.
the disciplines mention associated weapons yet only on a few maneuvers is it explicitly mentioned that I actually have to use an associated weapon, same goes for the associated skill. does it really matter if I use the associated weapon as long as I avoid said maneuvers?
3.
What if I made a warlord with a negative charisma modifier. what would happen to the bonus I get of succeeding a gambit?
in this post people where discussing when a negative modifier is actually applied and when not, but Im still not sure how it exactly works. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pkgk?Smite-Evil-and-Negative-Charisma

same goes for example for ki-pool it says 1/2 your ki-pool capable class levels + wis/cha mod. which if you had a negative wis or cha mod would result in a negative or no ki-pool for quite some time.


1) Correct, each class provides a certain number of maneuvers known and readied and are independent of each other.

2) Correct, there is no global restriction and it only matters if the maneuver specifically says that the associated skill or weapon is required.

3) The key word is that the warlord may add his charisma modifier to the check. That one word means that you have the choice of simply not applying it if it would be unfavorable to do so. This is different for the stalker; the stalker's ki pool is equal to 1/2 her stalker level plus her wisdom modifier. No "may" about it, if your wisdom modifier is negative it's penalizing your ki pool (to a minimum of 1). The Smite Evil example you bring up uses different wording than either the Stalker's Ki or the Warlord's Gambit.


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Nefelpitou wrote:

1.

what would happen to my maneuvers and stances if I multiclassed stalker1/warlord1 ?
would I have 12 maneuvers (6 known from the respective disciplines open to the class) known and 8 readied(obviously I could have 6 readied from one class and 2 from the other) and two stances known?

A level 1 stalker/level 1 warlord does get 12 maneuvers known and 8 readied, but he'd need to pick 6/4 maneuvers known/prepared from the Stalker selection and 6/4 maneuvers known/prepared from the Warlord selection. There's no intermingling between the two. He can also only prepare each maneuver once, even if he has the same maneuver on both lists. The one exception is that your initiator level stacks - a level 3 stalker/level 3 warlord would be a level 6 initiator, and be eligible to learn level 3 maneuvers.

Nefelpitou wrote:

2.

the disciplines mention associated weapons yet only on a few maneuvers is it explicitly mentioned that I actually have to use an associated weapon, same goes for the associated skill. does it really matter if I use the associated weapon as long as I avoid said maneuvers?

No. Barring the relatively few disciplines and maneuvers that require specific weapons, you can use any weapon you want. However, using a discipline weapon will give a boost to the save DCs of maneuvers that require saves.

Nefelpitou wrote:

3.

What if I made a warlord with a negative charisma modifier. what would happen to the bonus I get of succeeding a gambit?
in this post people where discussing when a negative modifier is actually applied and when not, but Im still not sure how it exactly works. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pkgk?Smite-Evil-and-Negative-Charisma

This one I'm not quite sure of. Usually the phrasing is "bonus" if you only apply a positive number, "penalty" if you only apply a negative number, and "modifier" if you add either. Gambits state "may add his charisma modifier (...) as a luck bonus". However Dasrak makes a good point in that the warlord can choose to apply his charisma modifier, so it shouldn't ever negatively impact the warlord. However, since warlords heavily benefit from having a decent charisma anyway, I'd suggest just going for a positive modifier.

Nefelpitou wrote:
same goes for example for ki-pool it says 1/2 your ki-pool capable class levels + wis/cha mod. which if you had a negative wis or cha mod would result in a negative or no ki-pool for quite some time.

As I outlined above, that depends on the language used for the Ki pool. This varies between classes, so I'm not comfortable making a conclusive ruling one way or the other.


As an additional question to this, If i was Stalker 3/Warlord 3, and used a warlord gambit to recover maneuvers, would it only recover maneuvers from the Warlord side, or could I recover some from the Stalker side as well?


Byrhtnoth wrote:
As an additional question to this, If i was Stalker 3/Warlord 3, and used a warlord gambit to recover maneuvers, would it only recover maneuvers from the Warlord side, or could I recover some from the Stalker side as well?

Only your warlord maneuvers.

Kudaku wrote:
The one exception is that your initiator level stacks - a level 3 stalker/level 3 warlord would be a level 6 initiator, and be eligible to learn level 3 maneuvers.

This isn't correct. Here are the rules:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/systems-and-use wrote:

If you are a multiclass martial disciple, and you learn a new maneuver by attaining a new level in a martial disciple class, determine your initiator level by adding together your level in that class + 1/2 your levels in all other classes. Look up the result on the table below to determine the highest- level maneuvers you can take. You still must meet all of a maneuver's prerequisites to learn it.

For example, a 7th-level stalker/5th-level warlord has an initiator level of 9th for determining the highest- level maneuvers he can take as a stalker. Subsequently, he can take 5th level stalker maneuvers. As a warlord, his initiator level would be 8th, allowing for 4th-level warlord maneuvers. These maneuvers are readied and performed separately. Multiclassing does not allow an initiator to have any individual stance or maneuver known or readied more than once.


My mistake, I mixed up initiator classes and initiator prestige classes. Thanks for correcting that. ☺

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