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I'd like to ask your general option.
1) Do the lvl 15 and 19 revelations suffer the -6 penalty as well?
2a) is there any reason not to profit from a Ring of Revelation?
2b) of a revelation not in the limited list available through VMC?
Obviously, my prefered answers are no, no and no.
It's vague. I'd say the intention is for them to also be at -6, but it's never explicitly stated. Being that you can't use them in PFS, I'm afraid we won't get an official answer anytime soon, so it's really just up to your DM.
1.I'd like to ask your general option.
1) Do the lvl 15 and 19 revelations suffer the -6 penalty as well?
2a) is there any reason not to profit from a Ring of Revelation?
2b) of a revelation not in the limited list available through VMC?
At 3rd level, she gains one of the following revelations from the list of those available to her mystery as an oracle of her character level – 6 (minimum 1). She must have an effective oracle level high enough to select the revelation.
The level 15 and 19 Revelations are chosen at your level -6. Otherwise, the wording of this entry applies a -6 penalty for no reason, since it amends you're treated as level 1, not -3.
2a.
While wearing the ring, an oracle has access to that revelation and may use it as if she had it as a normal class feature.
You are not an Oracle. If the wording instead said "anyone with the Revelation Class feature", you'd have a case, but RAW you cannot benefit from this item.
2b. RAW, you must select from the listed Revelations. They made a list for a reason, and didn't just say you could select any Revelation from your Mystery, so this says to me that there are Revelations they pointedly DIDN'T want someone VMC'ing into having. I would ask your GM about any non-listed Revelations, and see if they will allow it.
I'm not sure you can say "you are not an oracle". You are in some part an Oracle. It's more that you don't have an oracle level. So, if the item required an oracle level, you wouldn't qualify.
Edit: To be specific, Oracle is your "secondary class", as described in the variant multiclassing section. So, "you are an oracle", insomuch that it is your secondary class.
I'm not sure you can say "you are not an oracle". You are in some part an Oracle. It's more that you don't have an oracle level. So, if the item required an oracle level, you wouldn't qualify.
Edit: To be specific, Oracle is your "secondary class", as described in the variant multiclassing section. So, "you are an oracle", insomuch that it is your secondary class.
I just reread the VMC description and found that too. There may be some credence to that, though "Secondary Class" isn't expanded upon, or defined in any way. Had it gone on to say "You count as your secondary class for being able to use items, take feats, etc", I'd concede. As is, I see this as a GM call. As a GM, I probably wouldn't allow it.
The rules could have been a little more explicit, but since they are all extra optional anyway, they may have purposely left them openly worded. Adding Unchained to your game is already basically a house rule, so the details didn't matter as much to the book.
Edit: Note that the only way we know you don't treat your character level as your secondary class level is that so many of the abilities tell you what to use as your effective class level.
I'm not sure you can say "you are not an oracle". You are in some part an Oracle. It's more that you don't have an oracle level. So, if the item required an oracle level, you wouldn't qualify.
Edit: To be specific, Oracle is your "secondary class", as described in the variant multiclassing section. So, "you are an oracle", insomuch that it is your secondary class.
I wouldn't give someone with Fighter VMC access to feats that require levels in Fighter. Same logic applies here.
I wouldn't give someone with Fighter VMC access to feats that require levels in Fighter. Same logic applies here.I'm not sure you can say "you are not an oracle". You are in some part an Oracle. It's more that you don't have an oracle level. So, if the item required an oracle level, you wouldn't qualify.
Edit: To be specific, Oracle is your "secondary class", as described in the variant multiclassing section. So, "you are an oracle", insomuch that it is your secondary class.
We've established the VMC doesn't have levels in Fighter. That doesn't necessarily mean that the VMC isn't a "fighter".
You can't be a class you don't have levels in.
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The rules could have been a little more explicit, but since they are all extra optional anyway, they may have purposely left them openly worded. Adding Unchained to your game is already basically a house rule, so the details didn't matter as much to the book.
Edit: Note that the only way we know you don't treat your character level as your secondary class level is that so many of the abilities tell you what to use as your effective class level.
I agree; once you're using Unchained, choose the option that's best for your group! That said, if the group is caring enough about the "default" assumption of VMC to not just make their own choice, they should probably apply the -6 on each revelation and not allow ring of revelation or any other sidelong ways to gain revelations. Personally, though, in a home game I might be tempted to allow the ring as long as the revelation was on the allowed list for VMC for that mystery.
You can't be a class you don't have levels in.
But you can be a "secondary class" of a class you don't have levels in.
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YEah, personally in my games I'm going to allow VMC oracles to take any mystery revelation that they qualify for effective level wise, plus there are far more mysteries than those in the APG which seems to be all that the actual RAW allows.
That said RAW, I agree a VMC oracle is limited and the ring doesn't work. As for whether I'll allow the ring, I'll decide when I have a player that wants it, but especially since I am opening up all the revelations, I probably would.