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Wouldn't this be better off in the Rules Forum?
Anyways, I'll state the major points here so everyone's aware going forward.
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And, again, you are assuming something implicit in the rules citations that is just not there. ALL those lines on Adopted in the Gnomes of Golarion do is reiterate that the Adopt trait exists, and, in NO way, override the normal restriction on taking multiple traits of the same type.
Gnomes of Golarion has text that overrides this, stating that ALL of its Traits are "Racial" Traits, and that a character of another race may select a Gnomish "Racial" Trait with Adopted.
The above is NOT what the line states. The line only says that Adopted would allow you to take A Gnome trait, with NO, repeat NO, text saying that the restriction on taking the same type of trait twice is removed.
To be clear:
Gnomes of Golarion includes text that all the following traits are Gnome traits, since they are not labeled, individually, as Gnome race traits.
Gnomes of Golarion also includes text saying that you can use Adopted to take A Gnome race trait, not that you can use it to take ALL Gnome race traits.
At the time Gnomes came out, IIRC, the APG had not yet been released, and the author of Gnomes may not have looked deeply into the rules on traits, as they were new, as well, from the pre-release document, the Character Traits Web Enhancement, which previewed some of the Trait rules from the APG.
So, the situation is as follows:
None of the other Race of Golarion books include race traits that are also in any of the basic trait categories from the web enhancement.
The Gnome race trait reprinted from this book in Ultimate Campaign removed the non-Gnome designation.
So, without requiring any one-shot rules changes, or making player and GM lives more difficult with unfounded exceptions, is it therefore intended that the Gnome race traits from Gnome of Golarion should, like Rapscallion, have any trait designations removed, other than Gnome race trait?
BTW, all Mike Brock did was confirm that the rules were the rules, and that the text in Gnomes did not, in any way, constitute any sort of exception to the rules, either explicit or implicit.
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As I provided a link to the entire section being discussed, people can read it and come to their own conclusions.
I read it as explicitly allowing Adopted to work with all of the Traits in Gnomes of Golarion.
Obviously, that's not the only way to interpret the text.
And, as we already have a ruling by Campaign Leadership, this discussion may go nowhere anyways.
The only problem I see with his ruling is that, unless you're familiar with the Forums, and this discussion specifically, a casual player reading through Gnomes of Golarion would be unaware that they couldn't pair these two Traits together.
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None of the other Race of Golarion books include race traits that are also in any of the basic trait categories from the web enhancement.
Halflings of Golarion does as well, such as Isger Fixer, which is Region+Race.
Though, since I don't own it, I'm unaware whether there are any Social+Race Traits in there.
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None of the other Race of Golarion books include race traits that are also in any of the basic trait categories from the web enhancement.Halflings of Golarion does as well, such as Isger Fixer, which is Region+Race.
Though, since I don't own it, I'm unaware whether there are any Social+Race Traits in there.
Halflings of Golarion has Race Traits divided into three categories. Race traits, Regional race traits (from a specific area), and Religion race traits (worship a specific deity).
From the beginning of the Gnome trait section:
Character traits represent unique advantages conferred by a character’s formative experiences or innate qualities. Only halfling characters (or members of other races who take the Adopted trait) may select the traits detailed below. Many of them demand additional requirements, such as the character worshiping a specific deity or hailing from a particular part of Golarion.
As it is a newer book, it doesn't have as detailed a reference to Adopted, as Adopted was not new anymore.
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Good thing "all" exists in the first clause, which you continue to ignore.
In reference to your statement here, it is irrelevant, since it is just classifying all the traits as being race traits. The traits are then further categorized into an additional category, unfortunately including Social, and nothing in that part of the sentence you insist has meaning is in the Adopted part, nor does any of the actual reference to Adopted in Gnomes give an override to the fact that Adopted is a Social trait, and you cannot take two traits from the same category.
That first clause just defines that this section of the Gnomes of Golarion book is just printing traits that are Race traits. It is not in the section in parentheses about Adopted, and nothing in the section on Adopted gives an override for the Social/Social illegality.
When the APG and traits first came out, many people didn't even remember that Adopted was Social, so were ignoring the double Social aspect. But that was not being used to a whole new thing in Pathfinder, not intentionally believing the generic comment in Gnomes bypassed the restriction.
There was a lot of wailing on the boards when the restriction was originally pointed out to people who had missed it, but, at that time, no one thought that text you insist means something it doesn't meant what you insist it means. People were just asking for an errata to fix the problem, not claiming it didn't exist.
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There was a lot of wailing on the boards when the restriction was originally pointed out to people who had missed it, but, at that time, no one thought that text you insist means something it doesn't meant what you insist it means. People were just asking for an errata to fix the problem, not claiming it didn't exist.
I beg to differ. I've thought and written since I saw the book that this interpretation causes a more serious problem of its own.
If all of these traits are both gnome race traits and traits of another category, then a gnome can't take two traits from Gnomes of Golarion, nor can she take one alongside a gnome race trait from another source, such as Animal Friend. This restriction on gnomes is not mentioned in the sourcebook for gnomes and I don't think it was intended.
We need either a consistent interpretation or a rule change, that allows these traits to work properly for their primary purpose (gnome options) and also assists their secondary purpose (options for other characters with Adopted).
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville
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The main thing about this is that Gnomes of Golarion is the only source book that divides Race Traits (Incorrectly call "Racial" in the book) into one of the four basic trait catigories. The other race of books have Regional and Religion traits as well as a few Race Traits with no other qualifier. If the Gnome book would have used that format, some of the traits could have been of those varieties instead of using the basic tags.
I mentioned this in the "other Thread" (Let's Be Clear blog) because it is something that needs clarified in the PFS document. In a home game, it is most likely clear that Adopted is a placeholder for the race trait it allows the character to take, since it is mentioned in the source that Adopted can be used to take those traits.
Why Mike or someone else though that taking both traits in the one "slot" would be game breaking is beyond my understanding, but I do believe that looking at it after the Ultimate Campaign had not given any of the race traits it listed for the gnome any of the secondary qualifications, the issue needs fresh eyes and a new look. The new PFS clarification document looks at these very sources that do not get errata or reprints, so it can clarify this long standing confusion on this.
Just to make my position clear, I believe it has always been the case that Etymoligist can be taken with Adopted. It is one of two traits the character gets.