multiple dazing ice spears under large creature => multiple saving throws?


Rules Questions


Hi guys,

I am picking 3rd level spells for my sorcerer and I am planning my build in advance: I want to buy dazing rod later.

Is Ice spears spell forcing saving throws for every spear which is under the creature?

d20pfsrd.com wrote:
...–creatures that take up more than one square can be hit by multiple spears if the caster is high enough level.
Later it suggest that you roll separately for each spear to trip your enemy:
d20pfsrd.com wrote:
Each additional ice spear beyond the first that strikes a single foe grants a +10 bonus to this CMB check.

It will help a lot with metamagic, because enemies will have bigger chance to be dazed! That spell also deals two types of damage (piercing and cold) and even doesn't care about spell resistance.


No. There is one save, but for every spear you get a bonus to make them prone.

Quote:
Each additional ice spear beyond the first that strikes a single foe grants a +10 bonus to this CMB check.

"This" means that one CMB check.


You only get to roll once for the trip attempt, but with a very high CMB if the creature was damaged by several spears. They only roll one Reflex save to halve all the damage and stop the single trip.

Even if they were to make multiple saves, though, Dazing Spell affects anyone who takes damage from a spell, not anyone forced to make a save. You'll only get to daze them once no matter how many spears contribute to the damage, sorry.

EDIT: Oh, you mean saves vs daze, not the save vs the spears. Silly me.


I would say they only need to make one save, regardless of how many "parts" of the spell hit somebody. See the many, many threads about dazing magic missiles.


Thank you!

What about DR – should I diminish piercing damage for each spear separately?


No problem, happy to help!

Yes, they are attacks coming from different sources so DR applies to each spear (but only the piercing damage, not the cold damage).

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