The Shield Champion Brawler Returning Shield (EX) indeed states that the shield returns at the end of the turn. However, it is a Move-equivalent action to ready or drop a shield (See the "Actions in Combat" table). Even if it is a throwing shield, the throwing shield allows the shield to be unclasped as a free action, but says nothing about the time to be readied changing.
The shield champion is boned at the end of his turn when his shield comes back. Even if equipping it again is a free action, such as with a quickdraw light shield, his turn is over and no opportunity to actually use the free action to equip it.
I'm actually looking to create a new character soon and really had my heart set on this Paizo Cap'n 'Merica build. Haven't started researching in-depth yet, but your post here now has me worried its not truly playable outside a home game. Hope this gets fixed soon!
It's mostly fine for PFS. I play one with no issues. Though I took brawling armor and focus on unarmed attacks with Pummeling Style and use an adamantine throwing quickdraw light shield (can't two hand for 1.5 Str damage but at least the base damage die will go up the same rate as other close weapons with Close Weapon Mastery) for DR and ranged weapon purposes.
Though the new Ricochet Toss Weapon Mastery feat is even more useful than the Returning Shield since the thrown weapon comes back when the attack is resolved so one could still full-attack throw shields at foes, AND with the quickdraw light shield could still use a free action to equip the shield again. The Martial Focus feat will be needed for brawlers or other non-fighters to get it though.
Shield Champions pretty much NEED the bashing enchant and when they can afford it a Monk's Robe.
Early levels you will be mostly using melee. That's just how it is.
As far as losing Brawler's Strike, remember that the Brawler does not suffer from the Monk problem of not being able to use special material gauntlets/cestus/knuckles.
Oddly enough you can build a pretty good throwing shield build with just a regular brawler using a throwing shield and the Ricochet Toss feat.
Shield Champions pretty much NEED the bashing enchant and when they can afford it a Monk's Robe.
Early levels you will be mostly using melee. That's just how it is.
As far as losing Brawler's Strike, remember that the Brawler does not suffer from the Monk problem of not being able to use special material gauntlets/cestus/knuckles.
Oddly enough you can build a pretty good throwing shield build with just a regular brawler using a throwing shield and the Ricochet Toss feat.
Bashing enchant doesn't work with close weapon mastery. You'd either get the bashing enhanced base shield damage of d8 (with heavy shield) or you use brawler's unarmed damage -4 levels (whichever is higher).
Can't you take Two-Handed Thrower for another +1/2 STR?
You can. One would just want the Quick Draw feat in order to benefit from flurry.
Shield Champions pretty much NEED the bashing enchant and when they can afford it a Monk's Robe.
Early levels you will be mostly using melee. That's just how it is.
As far as losing Brawler's Strike, remember that the Brawler does not suffer from the Monk problem of not being able to use special material gauntlets/cestus/knuckles.
Oddly enough you can build a pretty good throwing shield build with just a regular brawler using a throwing shield and the Ricochet Toss feat.
Bashing enchant doesn't work with close weapon mastery. You'd either get the bashing enhanced base shield damage of d8 (with heavy shield) or you use brawler's unarmed damage -4 levels (whichever is higher).
Arguable. Close weapon mastery swaps the "base damage" of the shield to that of the brawler's unarmed strike at -4 levels. Bashing makes the shield act as if it were two sizes larger.
I suppose it depends on what order your GM allows you to apply the effects. It is one of the MANY things that the Brawler class could stand to get official errata/clarification on.
At 5th level, you can throw your shield, but it looks like you're still subject to the firing into melee penalties, so you'll need Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot to avoid a constant -4 against targets in melee, like the BBEG. Also, you never avoid the AoO for throwing your shield in melee.I know its a long wait but at level 11 the shield champion gains the Shield Master Feat. once you have that you don't suffer any penalties on attacks made with shields. no more -4 for throwing it in melee.
While it has been debated, Shield Master only eliminates the penalties associated with using two weapons. It doesn't eliminate all penalties on your shield attacks.At 5th level, you can throw your shield, but it looks like you're still subject to the firing into melee penalties, so you'll need Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot to avoid a constant -4 against targets in melee, like the BBEG. Also, you never avoid the AoO for throwing your shield in melee.I know its a long wait but at level 11 the shield champion gains the Shield Master Feat. once you have that you don't suffer any penalties on attacks made with shields. no more -4 for throwing it in melee.has there been an errata? cause the ability says it eliminates all penalties on attack rolls made with shields. the feat doesn't even mention two weapon fighting except in a prerequisite.
has there been an errata? cause the ability says it eliminates all penalties on attack rolls made with shields. the feat doesn't even mention two weapon fighting except in a prerequisite.While it has been debated, Shield Master only eliminates the penalties associated with using two weapons. It doesn't eliminate all penalties on your shield attacks.At 5th level, you can throw your shield, but it looks like you're still subject to the firing into melee penalties, so you'll need Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot to avoid a constant -4 against targets in melee, like the BBEG. Also, you never avoid the AoO for throwing your shield in melee.I know its a long wait but at level 11 the shield champion gains the Shield Master Feat. once you have that you don't suffer any penalties on attacks made with shields. no more -4 for throwing it in melee.
Yet it is the only logical reading of the rule.
Yet it is the only logical reading of the rule.has there been an errata? cause the ability says it eliminates all penalties on attack rolls made with shields. the feat doesn't even mention two weapon fighting except in a prerequisite.While it has been debated, Shield Master only eliminates the penalties associated with using two weapons. It doesn't eliminate all penalties on your shield attacks.At 5th level, you can throw your shield, but it looks like you're still subject to the firing into melee penalties, so you'll need Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot to avoid a constant -4 against targets in melee, like the BBEG. Also, you never avoid the AoO for throwing your shield in melee.I know its a long wait but at level 11 the shield champion gains the Shield Master Feat. once you have that you don't suffer any penalties on attacks made with shields. no more -4 for throwing it in melee.
how so?