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Just read an interview with Johns (this was over on the Blastr site), where he confirms Legion of Superheroes will be out eventually. Didn't give a timeline.
What is interesting in this is how the missing 10 years are treated.
It's a crime. The Legacies, the character relationships, the DCU's history. These are things that were stolen when the Flashpoint happened.
I find it interesting that the story is putting the Nu52 in that sort of perspective. It's probably about as close as we will ever get to them saying "We f'ed up and we're sorry. We're gonna make it better now"
and that scene, between Wally and Barry...Damn that was a hell of a scene.
Have you seen the new Wally Flash costume, the one he'll be wearing after this?
It's got a Silver Lining.
I can't think ofa better metaphore.
I don't really follow DC much, so I have a question for those who do....
Are the previous two Jokes supposed to be dead? Or are there actually three Jokers living simultaneously? Because if it's the latter, I can't see them NOT having a story where all three of them come at Batman all at once.
I don't really follow DC much, so I have a question for those who do....
Are the previous two Jokes supposed to be dead? Or are there actually three Jokers living simultaneously? Because if it's the latter, I can't see them NOT having a story where all three of them come at Batman all at once.
Not sure as yet. Batman seems a little thrown for a loop on this too. At least two of them seem to be active in the present. I think you can bet we'll see all three in a room before this is over.
No one is certain if there are three Jokers currently but certainly seems like we've had more than one apparently. Thanks Rebirth. :p ;)
As for Future's End...that was the BIGGEST load of crap I've seen since I heard Donald Trump was running for President. :p
Batman Beyond IS Terry, 100% no ifs, ands or buts. Anything else is just warming the bench in my mind.
A big part of DC and Rebirth in particular seems to be the idea of Legacies. Heck it's what got me reading JSA in the first place.
and while seeing Heroic mantles being passed down from one generation to the next is cool to see
I can't remember a lot of Villain legacies that are passed down.
There was Captain Boomerang - Father to Son. but even Villains who take up old names generally don't seem to be connected to each other most of the time (EX: Cheetah)
Could the Joker be a Legacy? Passing down insanity from one "cosen successor" to the next.
Remember the Batman Beyond movie "Return of the Joker" He Broke Tim. Setting aside the mind control chip that activated later. He tortured Tim until he broke and became that twisted child Joker.
What if it's something like that. A hand picked individual to be broken and remade as a Next generation Joker, using elctroshock, torture, brainwashing and everything nasty in the Joker's bag of tricks.
It's not like he can't break a person and turn them into a reflection of himself. Look at Harley.
and think of it this way
"Papa needs to go away for a little while, but we can't leave Batsy without a playmate, so you'll just have to fill in for me. This might hurt a little so SMILE!"
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Sadly, while I love Wally's return, it doesn't really mean much to me. I doubt they're going to give him his own Flash series again, and I'm not in the mood to collect whatever team book they'd put him in (doubt it would be the JLA, and I was never a real fan of the Titans).
I'd love to see Didio issue an apology for screwing with all the Wally fans back when they got rid of him. Preferably written in his own blood.
I'd prefer Didio just commit seppuku and get it over with.
I know not everyone is a fan of Geoff Johns but at least he's got the balls to admit to making mistakes.
As for Wally, I don't think we'll get a solo series mostly because then we'd have TWO Flash comics...and apparently DC can only support two super heroes with more than one comic.
I'd prefer Didio just commit seppuku and get it over with.
I know not everyone is a fan of Geoff Johns but at least he's got the balls to admit to making mistakes.
As for Wally, I don't think we'll get a solo series mostly because then we'd have TWO Flash comics...and apparently DC can only support two super heroes with more than one comic.
We do have 6 GLs spread over 2 comics.
and Flash is one of the books that will be coming out every 2 weeks
My bad. I forgot about Green Lantern. But still they have like...7 now? *can't count* Green Lanterns on Earth. It's not like they're going to all be winners apparently.
Harley isn't loathsome! She's just misunderstood!
Plus she kicked the Joker's ass so that's something.
hang on
Hal
Guy
John
Kyle
the guy with the gun (sorry I really don't know his name just that he carries a gun for some reason.)
Jessica
am I missing one?
dose Paralax/Hal count? I feel like that would be counting Hal twice.
Grey,
You saw the part where I said I have trouble counting right?
Basically as my memory goes:
Golden Age Lantern - Alan Scott
Silver Age Lantern(s)- Hal Jordan, John Stewart.
Modern Age - Guy Gardner and Kyle Rayner
Post Modern Age - Simon Baz (the Muslim with the gun) and Now Jessica.
I miss Alan...and his kids.
Earth-2 Alan/Green Lantern isn't bad but he's a whole different guy.
The guy with a gun is Muslim? I did not know that. I just saw a GL with a gun and though "Why the hell would a GL need a Gun? that's damn silly" and never picked up the book.
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Harley isn't loathsome! She's just misunderstood!
Sorry, but I have always and shall forever despise the character. Blame the voice casting they started out with. It tainted my feelings for Harley for all eternity.
Same with Damien. Morrison's early characterization of him as an arrogant little punk has forever made me loathe the little shit.
I think he's still an arrogant little punk
but that's kind of why I am lookiing forward to Super Sons and him getting paired up with the new Superboy.
John is a bright, happy and excitable kid who has lived a normal life up till now.
You should see him in his Dad's cape flying for the first time. This look of Joy on his face.
This bundle of excitment and super powers is going to be teamed up with that arrogant little punk.
I gotta see it, I gotta see what happens when you put these two kids together.
Not sure whether I like the pretty slick looking Robin suit or the hilariously casual "super hoodie" more.
Not sure whether I like the pretty slick looking Robin suit or the hilariously casual "super hoodie" more.
I know.
Can't wait to see how they play off each other.
Remember the Batman Beyond movie "Return of the Joker" He Broke Tim. Setting aside the mind control chip that activated later. He tortured Tim until he broke and became that twisted child Joker.
Not, DC but Doom's robots, acting on a contigency plan tried to do the same thing to Doom's ward, Kristoff to remake him as Doom. That didn't quite work to plan.
Not, DC but Doom's robots, acting on a contigency plan tried to do the same thing to Doom's ward, Kristoff to remake him as Doom. That didn't quite work to plan.
It worked too well. He was so convinced he was Doom that he wanted to kill the "imposter" Doom when he returned.
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A big part of DC and Rebirth in particular seems to be the idea of Legacies. Heck it's what got me reading JSA in the first place.
That, for me, was the biggest appeal about DC. I was a huge fan of the Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans from the '80s, and other 'legacy' groups like Young Justice and Infinity, Inc. (And the Legion, who were kinda/sorta of a Superman legacy, at the beginning of their career, but evolved into something far bigger.)
While Marvel seemed to be so strongly focused on their 50 year old 'starting characters,' such as Spider-Man and Iron Man and Thor and Dr. Strange and the Fantastic Four, DC was, IMO, bravely forging ahead, and turning 'Batman's sidekick' into a team leader and solo hero in his own right, as Nightwing. New characters were emerging and replacing older heroes like the dead Barry Allen/Flash and the died-and-became-the-Spectre Hal Jordan/Green Lantern, and that was pretty cool, to see 'Kid Flash' step up and become the new Flash, and 'new guys' John Stewart and Kyle Rayner take up the Green Lantern mantle. Even newer characters like Tim Drake/Robin and Bart Allen/Impulse were taking over the 'kid hero' or 'sidekick' roles left behind, and PADs Young Justice was amazingly fun.
And then they backslid, hugely, and Didio kept nattering on about how he didn't 'get' Dick Grayson and wanted to kill him off, and Barry Allen came back to life as an inexperienced buffoon that his teammates mocked, and Hal Jordan came back to life as a juvenile frat-boy, and Wonder Woman was 'new to man's world' again, and Superman was kind of emo and angry all the time, while at Marvel, Quesada had similarly weird things to say about a married adult Spider-Man being 'unrelatable' and wanting to One More Day him back into being an unmarried and 'younger' sort of person. Ugh.
For Marvel, that seemed to be kind of par for the course, even if One More Day was more appalling than the normal course, but for DC, I felt like they were crapping all over their strongest point, and what made them *not* Marvel, their willingness to forge ahead and advance their own timeline, and grow their own characterbase, rather than have a comic book wall display that consisted of sixteen different Superman and Batman titles from DC and sixteen different Spider-Man and Wolverine titles from Marvel.
Grumble, grognard rant, get off my lawn, you kids!
to be fair Convergance made Crisis never happen..apparently...it happened off panel so we never really got to see it happen, we were just kind of told that Superman, Supergirl, Flash and Paralax managed to do it and that the Multiverse was whole again.
I think the only one that knew about the past DC Multiverse is The Presence. But I think he's not talking about it.
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I don't really follow DC much, so I have a question for those who do....
Are the previous two Jokes supposed to be dead? Or are there actually three Jokers living simultaneously? Because if it's the latter, I can't see them NOT having a story where all three of them come at Batman all at once.
There was a scene where the bat-computer was listing joker sightings. There was a report of 2 Jokers being arrested within three hours in two different cities hundreds of miles apart. The cities were not Gotham City.
So, it is possible there was also a Joker in Arkham. Batman never bothered with checking other cities because he thought the Joker only operated in Gotham.
I think the only one that knew about the past DC Multiverse is The Presence. But I think he's not talking about it.I remember in great detail! Of course, I did just finish re-reading Crisis a week or two ago.....
Yes but you're not a comic book character A-Zombie. You're just a zombie.
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Harley isn't loathsome! She's just misunderstood!
Sorry, but I have always and shall forever despise the character. Blame the voice casting they started out with. It tainted my feelings for Harley for all eternity.
Same with Damien. Morrison's early characterization of him as an arrogant little punk has forever made me loathe the little s+*%.
I thought Talia hid Damien from her father by giving him over to the League of Assassins. This would warp anyone's psyche.
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It was him and Dick together that actually started getting me to warm up to the kid.
He's still a brat but he went from being insufferable to precocious.
as for John. John I liked right away. He's a good kid who just discovered the most amazing thing about himself and his family and he can't wait to be out in the world.
he still worries about his dad fighting alien warlords but he also wants to fly with him.
He's at that wonderful age before he becomes a sullen angry teenager, his dad is the greatest guy in the world and he is only just imagining all the things he might be able to do.
He's got his dad's old cape tied around his neck and he's ready to go.
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I think the only one that knew about the past DC Multiverse is The Presence. But I think he's not talking about it.Actually, the original Psycho-Pirate remembers.
Or REMEMBERED
Ok so I think I understand this
The Post Flashpoint timeline was supposed to be 15 years long. It was supposed to end up looking pretty much like the Pre-Flashpoint Timeline with small changes like too many lines on people's costumes and integrating Wildstorm and Milestone fully into the setting.
While said timeline is being put together persons unknown( implied but not confirmed to be Dr. Manhatten) pick pocket 10 years worth of events.
Timeline gets put together with only 5 years worth of events from scattered parts of a 15 year timeline. Time fills in the glitches just to make sure everything works out (EX: Damian was artificially aged so that he could be a new host body for his Grand father, thus allowing him to be 13 years old in only 5 years) Everything that didn't happen but was supposed to happen gets forgotten, supressed in the subconcious of humanity.
It also gives us a fresh timeline where since many events haven't happened but consiquences of those events did. These get fudged due to Wimbly Wombly Time thingy.
Result: things like formerly Dead heroes now getting to play mentor to those who inherited their names, and said replacement heroes now becoming essentially Sidekicks/heroes in training. Ryan Choi becoming sidekick to Ray Palmer and Jamie Rayes sidekick to Ted Kord.
We aren't getting a reboot but we are going forward with an understanding that the universe is recovering from a damaged timeline.
The old events can't be restored but they can happen again in different ways (EX: JSA will be returning from being lost to time)
so...Retcon not Reboot
Not sure I'd call it's a Retcon, as much as Time shifts/stealing.
Not sure I'd call it's a Retcon, as much as Time shifts/stealing.
True
I think Retcon is still the right word though.
it's Retroactive Continuety right?
Post-Flashpoint we were told "Here is the new World. Heroes have been there for 5 years, it's mostly the same as you remember but try not to think too hard about it. The Stories are more important than the continuety"
but now we are told "In actuality the world was supposed to have 15 years of stuff but 10 of it is missing and that's why a lot of things were awkward and confusing. All that Continuety still existed but was vandelized"
Heck it even covers editorial slips early in the new52, like when one book says there was never a Titans team before and another book referances when there was a previous Titan team. Or when Superman talks to Swamp thing about coming back from the dead even though no one remembers him dying.
Then when the trades got released they edited those so that there was never a Titans team or dead Superman.
"Timeline was still settling from being attacked, but eventually smoothed itself out"
Hypothetical Question time
Could Dr. Manhattan create an entity who power and nature were similar to his own?
Would he do so?
If he did create such a being from essentially nothingness instead of uplifting a human the way he was, what would that Being's Moral Compass be like?
Greylurker,
I'm pretty sure that's what happened with Brainiac in Convergence...
As for the Retcon, I see it less of retroactivity and more of a "smoothing things out to make more sense to people that have been following DC since 2006.*
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Was talking to someone on a different site about Rebirth and came to a realization
Kole is alive
Convergance means she never got killed
Rebirth means she hasn't debuted yet or joined the Titans.
Hm!!
Excellent Point Grey! I hadn't considered that. I wonder that's true for Panthra too. I mean getting punched by Superboy Prime and all...
I'm gonna go with a yes. In fact in general we have a lot of not dead people in the world
Ralph and Sue for example
(Infact thinking on Identity Crisis We've already seen Dr. Light, he wasn't evil and then Superman killed him because the evil Atom from the Antimatter universe stabbed his brain with kryptonite)
The Question (which brings up some interesting ideas if Rorschach shows up)
Terra
Jericho
There are a lot of opportunities to bring back a lot of people
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Kole is alive
I hug this thought.
Titans Hunt already brought back both Donna Troy and Garth / Tempest, so it's not impossible that other 'dead' Titans, like Kole, Jericho (is he dead again? He was back alive, last I saw, but that was pre NU52) or other lost and forgotten folk like Golden Eagle or Duela Dent or Agent or even that poor 21st century Arms-Fall-Off-Boy wannabe Risk could resurface.
Ooh, Duela, if Kole and Tempest are the two I'd most want to see back, Duela is totally third.
BLUE BEETLE! TED KORD >>>>> JAIME
Lets see now This week we will be getting
Action Comics
Aquaman
Detective Comics
Flash
and Wonder Woman